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My issues, feelings, Germany, women, WWII, and other stuff

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:59 am
by Yukaphile
Given the recent issue I had in another thread, I'm making this one for if that ever happens again so people can ask me my thoughts and feelings here. Trust me, they're so deeply wrought and complex they could easily fill one of the largest pages of threads here. I have nothing to say now, just... sorry.

Re: My issues, feelings, Germany, women, WWII, and other stuff

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:16 am
by Madner Kami
Well, since you offered it, I'm gonna ask: What is your beef with the soviets and sexual violence? Where does your unhealthy and irrational fixation come from?

And for the record:
A) I am only asking a question. That does not oblige you to answer.
B) We aren't a therapy group here. I still think you are fishing for attention that you feel you don't get elsewhere and it's neither wise to do so nor is it likely going to improve your position in life.

Re: My issues, feelings, Germany, women, WWII, and other stuff

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:11 pm
by Yukaphile
Basically it all boils down to eight subsets.

1) The anonymous movie.
2) The anonymous diary.
3) People's reactions to it today.
4) The confessions of those guilty.
5) That Germany can't stop apologizing.
6) That Russia will not apologize.
7) How it relates to my spiritual beliefs.
8) My views on impartial justice.

Re: My issues, feelings, Germany, women, WWII, and other stuff

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:31 am
by BridgeConsoleMasher
Have you come across any feminist analytics on the subject?

Re: My issues, feelings, Germany, women, WWII, and other stuff

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:01 pm
by Yukaphile
There was a Harvard law official who discussed Feminism in Germany, which... had my jaw dropping open, because to say Nazi Germany was a Feminist nation is like claiming the GOP leadership is Feminist. It's blatantly false. That was based on a movie based on a diary that may be a fiction.

Re: My issues, feelings, Germany, women, WWII, and other stuff

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:43 pm
by Yukaphile
As I've said elsewhere, what I hate most is the sense of blaming many people give to the victims of the Red Army, acting as if they were "collectively guilty," "not innocent," "perpetrators of crimes against humanity," "brought it on themselves," when the majority of German female civilians, all the two million women and girls, were innocent and to try and represent them otherwise, to try and claim they were otherwise, is defamation of character and victim-blaming. I saw this attitude from a young German man. I saw this attitude from a Harvard law official right in front of a German doctor who had studied the long-term effects of their "double trauma" on teenagers at the time. I saw it from a review in The New York Times, and from the lead actress in the anonymous movie, Nina Hoss, which is just utterly atrocious. It's why I listed people's reactions to it today among the number two spot. They also really seem to want to think as if those men and the women who watched and laughed with glee when begged for help just couldn't help themselves. My young Libertarian friend who's eighteen honestly thinks they "went mad." Even though many Russian Jews, who you'd think would want revenge, went out of their way to help women from attack whenever they could. It's ultimately just two million crude men behaving as ignorant men are wont to do, along with the women who joined them who happened to be sadists. Also blaming German women for their assaults and thinking only the Nazis got raped ignores that it was ethnic women and girls which they "liberated" from the camps, and children as young as ten or eight. This victim-blaming needs to end. This justifying and excusing those who'd committed such heinous crimes needs to end. It's one more form of rape apologia and rape culture.