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One thing has always been biting me(and not Janeway's pet yellow-scorpion), why is it that all aliens have aspects of humanity in them:

Prime examples;
1-Klingons= Human anger (with a little bit of arrogance)+ community honor
2-Vulcans= Human logic + pride (and a disturbing amount I might say)
3-Betazoids= Human love (the 4 types) + views of a beneficial reality (its literally hard-coded into them)
4-Romulans= Human pride + community tyranny (using their so called "logic" to have civil wars spawn!)
5-Ferengi= Human greed + ego + compassion for those who see material value (F*ck what spawned from Gene's head)

To me, when I see star trek shows I can tolerate the aspects of the human characters but when I see (primarily on the surface) the aliens motivations of their species "Planet of Hat"(TV tropes, look it up) it makes me really uncomfortable when there's no growth of a species culture or their mindset, here on Earth we allow our cultures to intertwine and change as powerful as warping reality. Having a single culture isolate itself to change is a one way to doom yourselves, like being a slave to a slave-lord; constantly having subjugation be pressed upon you to no degree.

I understand that Gene wanted a a show that would try(= horrifically failed in the Cold War with twice as many deaths than WW1 No-mans land) and allow more communities to grow and have people understand what achievements we could make if we sacrificed the bad for the good. We can all agree that while Gene was bad writer(the least of anyone's worries) he had good topics (He was not the Founder of Sci-Fi, that is an enforce lie from the media) he however was not great at creating the factions rather than the universes he beautifully created.

Let me hear your reactions and expansions of what aliens represent what aspect of the former-now-hallow humanity.

King Green wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:49 pmTo me, when I see star trek shows I can tolerate the aspects of the human characters but when I see (primarily on the surface) the aliens motivations of their species "Planet of Hat"(TV tropes, look it up) it makes me really uncomfortable when there's no growth of a species culture or their mindset, here on Earth we allow our cultures to intertwine and change as powerful as warping reality. Having a single culture isolate itself to change is a one way to doom yourselves, like being a slave to a slave-lord; constantly having subjugation be pressed upon you to no degree.

Did you just skip Deep Space Nine? Cause all kinds of cultures shift during that show. Bajor slowly comes out of it's shell. The Ferengi end up implementing civil rights for women. The Cardassians have their culture smashed a couple of times and struggle to rebuild. Even the Klingons culture shifts - remember Kor complaining about how nothing is as good as it was during the old days, when the aristocracy ruled?

It sounds to me like you're mostly complaining about TOS and TNG, but complaining that there isn't a lot of growth in a show designed for syndication is like complaining that your ice cream is always cold. Syndicated shows at the time were designed to never change because the suits wanted to make sure that the audience could jump into the series at any time without any context and not be taken off guard. Once Star Trek moved into other mediums, that quickly changed - just as you would expect.

True, but when you read the early scripts of TOS and the reboot of Discovery you get to find out that in a sense, Star Trek is dying and the producers are trying do something about... and that something is putting more bullshit expansion of the universe!

This is art entertainment which does not destruct culture. It deconstructs it.

LittleRaven wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:38 pm Did you just skip Deep Space Nine? Cause all kinds of cultures shift during that show. Bajor slowly comes out of it's shell. The Ferengi end up implementing civil rights for women. The Cardassians have their culture smashed a couple of times and struggle to rebuild. Even the Klingons culture shifts - remember Kor complaining about how nothing is as good as it was during the old days, when the aristocracy ruled?

It sounds to me like you're mostly complaining about TOS and TNG, but complaining that there isn't a lot of growth in a show designed for syndication is like complaining that your ice cream is always cold. Syndicated shows at the time were designed to never change because the suits wanted to make sure that the audience could jump into the series at any time without any context and not be taken off guard. Once Star Trek moved into other mediums, that quickly changed - just as you would expect.

In King Green's defense, it doesn't make much sense to talk about D9 if the issue is with Roddenberry's vision/world-building. I mean, the man was dead: I've heard of ghost-writing, but this is ridiculous.

On the other hand, the OP isn't particularly coherent, so that's the last defense it'll get from me.

Not sure what the takeaway is supposed to be here.

As for "hats" it's clear that there is plenty of nuance in Vulcan culture. There is a Vulcan majority culture in TOS that is logical, but this is not rigidly monolithic or permanent. Vulcans talk of "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" - hardly the concept of a uniformly conformist culture.

TOS:"Amok Time" proved that each Vulcan was still subject to passions, and despite their modern notions, still had ancient traditions. Plus, the Romulans showed how that not all Vulcans saw the need to purge their emotions.

Not sure what you mean about Gene. There are more respected literary figures, yes. But Gene did manage to deliver Star Trek and its unique vision to the masses, so there's at least some street cred in that.