Modern actions you disagree with

[Nealithi]

So I wanted to do a topic on one thing I strongly am irked by. End user license agreements. EULA. Because with only one exception I am aware of they seem evil and petty to me. But there are other things I think we as a society are doing wrong right now. And a place to vent and discuss things among peers might help. So a few examples from me.

EULA: These are not boiler plate don't steal our stuff statements. They can put down how they own the contents of your hard-drive, they and only they may make changes with no notice, etc. Now with any contract you have to be able to say no. And with an EULA you can. Except you don't get to read it and decide till you have made the purchase and are in the process of installing it. And software is real hard to return. In many cases not at all. So you put down money. They demand all your personal information and ownership of all your files. You say no. You do not get to use the software and they get to keep your money. How is this not theft!?

Laws punishing those it is meant to protect: Now this is a big one because there are so many examples. From two teen girls take photos of themselves in underwear and get charged with child pornography. They did not sell them. They just took private pictures for fun. . Mother arrested for letting children play outside. She was on her lawn watching them as they played in a cul-de-sac. Leave your child alone in the house for more than an hour? Latch key children? Call protective services!
As someone that grew-up playing outside. I found the streets safer than some of the fields. People drove trikes and dirt bikes back there and never seemed to watch where they were going and some of them liked to chase the littler kids. Streets and the cars would see us and slow down so we could get out of the way. My parents both worked most of my life. I think I had a key to where ever we lived since I was five. (Father was in the Navy so we moved often). I seem to have a stronger sense of security than those that didn't get a key to anything till they bought their own car or got their own place to live. (IE I lock things behind me)

So what are some things we as a society do now that bugs you guys? And feel free to comment on my dislikes. I would love to debate them.

[clearspira]

So I wanted to do a topic on one thing I strongly am irked by. End user license agreements. EULA. Because with only one exception I am aware of they seem evil and petty to me. But there are other things I think we as a society are doing wrong right now. And a place to vent and discuss things among peers might help. So a few examples from me.

EULA: These are not boiler plate don't steal our stuff statements. They can put down how they own the contents of your hard-drive, they and only they may make changes with no notice, etc. Now with any contract you have to be able to say no. And with an EULA you can. Except you don't get to read it and decide till you have made the purchase and are in the process of installing it. And software is real hard to return. In many cases not at all. So you put down money. They demand all your personal information and ownership of all your files. You say no. You do not get to use the software and they get to keep your money. How is this not theft!?

Laws punishing those it is meant to protect: Now this is a big one because there are so many examples. From two teen girls take photos of themselves in underwear and get charged with child pornography. They did not sell them. They just took private pictures for fun. . Mother arrested for letting children play outside. She was on her lawn watching them as they played in a cul-de-sac. Leave your child alone in the house for more than an hour? Latch key children? Call protective services!
As someone that grew-up playing outside. I found the streets safer than some of the fields. People drove trikes and dirt bikes back there and never seemed to watch where they were going and some of them liked to chase the littler kids. Streets and the cars would see us and slow down so we could get out of the way. My parents both worked most of my life. I think I had a key to where ever we lived since I was five. (Father was in the Navy so we moved often). I seem to have a stronger sense of security than those that didn't get a key to anything till they bought their own car or got their own place to live. (IE I lock things behind me)

So what are some things we as a society do now that bugs you guys? And feel free to comment on my dislikes. I would love to debate them.

For a country that prides itself on being ''the Land of the Free'' you do have some ridiculously draconian laws. Punished for playing outside? WTF?
The other weird one you guys have that is related to this is jaywalking. What a weird concept. How does that even work? You can't cross the road wherever you like lest you get arrested?

I guess my biggest pet peeve is anyone who uses MeToo or The Current Year fallacy or a similar rationale to enact puritan values that we shed a hundred years ago but are now apparently something to be praised. What is it that ''certain'' feminists hate about adult women partially showing off their breasts or butt? So much for giving women freedom of choice. The most ridiculous example to my mind recently was banning the Formula One pit girls.

Far for me to get all Yukaphile on this, but it really does show how far we still have to come when even the people who claim to be sticking up for women are trying to police their bodies.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm fine with no jaywalking. First of all, this is a state law thing, not necessarily a US thing, though you do get a lot of homogeneity with stuff. In California though the law is to be a defensive driver. It's not supposed to be a letter of the law sort of thing, but something that parently dictates how traffic laws and circumstantial accidents are assessed. Civilians aren't typically supposed to be in the road, but if they are then it's still largely the driver's responsibility to avoid hitting them. Keep in mind that jaywalking isn't enforced on any given pavement considered; it mostly applies to traffic heavy areas with multiple light-directed intersection to sustain operative flows what not. In a residential area, no cop will ever interrupt someone's business for jaywalking even if there are designated crosswalks painted on the road, and there's a considerable gray area depending on how heavy the traffic is. The crosswalks in non heavy traffic areas are distinctly to indicate apparent locations to look out for and imperatively yield to pedestrians as presence and intent to cross is indicated. Otherwise it is actually their job to stay out of your way in any kind of traffic situation. Still though, the defensive driving rhetoric still holds. People need to drive with considerable discretion in neighborhoods, but they are given a legal buffer in heavier traffic conditions, and total legal buffer on freeways where pedestrians are completely restricted.

[Admiral X]

The erosion of consumer rights. Not that long ago, some guy got punished for buying a textbook on the cheap from overseas, and reselling it for basically the same price he got it for, which was much cheaper than what the books are going for in the US. Not cool. Right up there with imminent domain being used to effectively steal the property of a private citizen in order to sell it to another private interest.

Also, another big one for me - if we're considered adults at 18, it should be across the board. It's bullshit that you can get drafted and fight for your country at 18 but you can't drink because "maturity" supposedly.

That stuff Nealithi talked about, too. Way too many examples of that. And that's why you should vote Libertarian.

[Beelzquill]

Completely with Nealithi and X on EULA, that stuff has gotten way outta hand.
I also really hate just how extreme copyright law is in general. I mean how long is it in the states for something to go into the public domain? I think it's something like ninety years and that is way too long, all so Disney can keep printing money.
I also kind of hate how if any media property wants to expand they have to cater to authoritarian Chinese government, yes the US isn't clean but do I really need to say how messed up it is we mostly can't have somebody critical of the chinese government in a movie anymore?

[Robovski]

21 all across the board, not 18. Repeal the 26th Amendment!

[Admiral X]

Only if you also raise the minimum age for military service along with it, with no exceptions.

[Robovski]

Only if you also raise the minimum age for military service along with it, with no exceptions.

That is what we should have done in the first place. What part of all across the board made for exceptions?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Also beer.

[Admiral X]

Only if you also raise the minimum age for military service along with it, with no exceptions.

That is what we should have done in the first place. What part of all across the board made for exceptions?

That's the way it was before. You could literally be drafted at 18, yet you weren't allowed to vote until you were 21.