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Yes, you all suspected it during high school, and now you have the proof
https://www.edutopia.org/no-proven-benefits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnaHfhI8DnI

Honestly the best math class I had was a college course (Statistics) where there was zero homework. The class would start with the teacher explaining the new material. Then problems would be given for us to work on in class, with the teacher available for help if needed. If multiple students asked for help on the same kind of thing, the teacher knew they needed to go over that particular part of the material again. And you know what? Worked just fine. Now I can see why a student might be given some reading to do between classes, and later on you need to teach kids how to do research, put together arguments, and write about a topic, but a lot of homework could probably done away with with just a bit of adjusting class schedules.

Homework is useful, if and only if the student does already have enough knowledge and understanding of the material at hand. I think it's easy to agree on the fact, that repeating a task is synonymous with getting better at the task and understanding where you still might have weakpoints, but if the teaching failed in the first place, then... yeah...

The other issue is work-overload. I still remember times when coming home and having to sit down for an additional 3 or 4 hours for a couple of days, to read a book that I have no interest in, just to write up a summary of it. And then still having to do maths and other things, despite being at school from 7 to 15 on average, daily. Yeah, there comes a point when not even the threat of getting a bad mark for not having done your homework gets you to keep up with that bullshit.

Homework is good as a matter of accountability I think but technically that could just be in the manner of a daily report you have to bring to class (like a formal status update not research). Then there's the matter of off-site development for one's own resourceful capacities. Also I guess offloading training time from the teacher's clock to the students doesn't sound like the most horrible of ideas.

As far as learning the subject, I like that scene in Road Trip where the stoner's like "I could teach Japanese to a monkey in *46 hours* the key is just relating to the material." Learning is one thing, but teaching kids to go out there and get it seems to be a consistent expectation someone is expected to be proficient out of. I don't really ever remember it being talked about much for that matter.

It's a way to teach kids to accept worse working conditions. That way, when they grow up, they are more willing work late, do work off the clock, make deliveries for the company on the way home, etc. Just like we send teenagers to school way too early so that they learn to ignore the screaming demands of their body, thus ensuring that the upper crust will have somebody who goes to work at 5AM to ensure they can get their 8:30AM iced coffee.

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:49 am It's a way to teach kids to accept worse working conditions. That way, when they grow up, they are more willing work late, do work off the clock, make deliveries for the company on the way home, etc. Just like we send teenagers to school way too early so that they learn to ignore the screaming demands of their body, thus ensuring that the upper crust will have somebody who goes to work at 5AM to ensure they can get their 8:30AM iced coffee.

I'm certain that if you dig deep enough, you'll find a conspirative cabal of the high finance and industrial tycoons laughing in their secret lair inside the hollow flat Earth, where they pull their faces off and reveal themselve to be reptiles who secretly want to enslave humanity via their diabolical plan of having children do homework.

I've some sympathy to a negative view of homework, I took the view when I was at school that school should stop at the school door (and I have the same opinion of work nowadays, and regard the shift towards working from home as being terribly damaging). But self-discipline is also something children need to learn.

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:49 am It's a way to teach kids to accept worse working conditions. That way, when they grow up, they are more willing work late, do work off the clock, make deliveries for the company on the way home, etc. Just like we send teenagers to school way too early so that they learn to ignore the screaming demands of their body, thus ensuring that the upper crust will have somebody who goes to work at 5AM to ensure they can get their 8:30AM iced coffee.

That's just conservative rhetoric in general.

I hated homework when I was in education, always. I could stomach obviously if there WERE no classes, but so long as they existed, it seemed like pointlessly cruel "double dipping".

Now, I find it eyebrow-raising how Fuzzy opened the topic with this big ol' academic article explaining why it's bunk and the pro-homework crowd here just go with "well, I think it works!".