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Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:38 pm
by Thebestoftherest
if Star trek does stop swimming in the past and does go to the future of the future, will we reach the point where people refer to Kirk as the ancient Klingon enemy.

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:21 pm
by Beelzquill
When should we consider something "ancient" anyway? A thousand years old? That would mean William the Conqueror's invasion of England would be set to be "officially Ancient" in just 45 years. Do we have a term for something centuries old but not "ancient"?

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:16 pm
by Thebestoftherest
The dictionary says 'belonging to the very distant past and no longer in existence'.

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:07 pm
by Deledrius
Beelzquill wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:21 pm When should we consider something "ancient" anyway? A thousand years old? That would mean William the Conqueror's invasion of England would be set to be "officially Ancient" in just 45 years. Do we have a term for something centuries old but not "ancient"?
Using Voyager rules, or normal rules?

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:08 pm
by Beelzquill
Deledrius wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:07 pm
Using Voyager rules, or normal rules?
normal rules. Voyager rules expires a week after they are written

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:34 pm
by TGLS
Beelzquill wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:21 pm When should we consider something "ancient" anyway? A thousand years old? That would mean William the Conqueror's invasion of England would be set to be "officially Ancient" in just 45 years. Do we have a term for something centuries old but not "ancient"?
Historians call the period Post-Classical, or to use a less fashionable term, the Middle Ages. Right now, basically historians divide history in five or six parts:
1) Prehistory (i.e. Everything before writing)
2) Ancient (i.e. Starting from Sumeria and earliest written documents)
3) Post-Classical (i.e. Starting from a date between the fall of West Rome and the Rise of Charlemagne, in Europe)
4) Early Modern (i.e. Starting from a date between the fall of Constantinople and the beginning of the Age of Discovery)
5) Late Modern (i.e. Starting from a date between the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution)
6) Contemporary (i.e. Starting from a date between WW1 and the end of WW2)

Some merge 5 and 6 together, and where post-classical begins is a bit tricky because it varies a lot more widely because most regions didn't have that period of history seriously impacted by Europeans showing up.

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:43 pm
by Beelzquill
TGLS wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:34 pm Snip
Thank you for the info. So by those classifications that would make the birth and life of Muhammed, the prophet of Islam, postclassical but not ancient? Huh, for some reason I always though the birth of Islam was one the eras we could call "ancient".

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:44 am
by BridgeConsoleMasher
I've never really considered the birth of christ to be ancient and was surprised to learn that Islam was born out of Christianity.

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:10 am
by Beelzquill
Why would 2000 years ago not be considered ancient? Maybe it means classical because the roman empire was around?

Re: Anicent Chinese secret

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:01 am
by Nealithi
TGLS wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:34 pm
Beelzquill wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:21 pm When should we consider something "ancient" anyway? A thousand years old? That would mean William the Conqueror's invasion of England would be set to be "officially Ancient" in just 45 years. Do we have a term for something centuries old but not "ancient"?
Historians call the period Post-Classical, or to use a less fashionable term, the Middle Ages. Right now, basically historians divide history in five or six parts:
1) Prehistory (i.e. Everything before writing)
2) Ancient (i.e. Starting from Sumeria and earliest written documents)
3) Post-Classical (i.e. Starting from a date between the fall of West Rome and the Rise of Charlemagne, in Europe)
4) Early Modern (i.e. Starting from a date between the fall of Constantinople and the beginning of the Age of Discovery)
5) Late Modern (i.e. Starting from a date between the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution)
6) Contemporary (i.e. Starting from a date between WW1 and the end of WW2)

Some merge 5 and 6 together, and where post-classical begins is a bit tricky because it varies a lot more widely because most regions didn't have that period of history seriously impacted by Europeans showing up.
Is this the proper catalogue? I ask because the section of Post-Classical but not a Classical seems odd. Or did Classical get nixed like Pluto's planethood?