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I.e. one that can refer to anything from "reference", "homage" or "allusion", to mere influence or inspiration, to accidental resemblance? Especially when it's not clear how aware or intentional a given example is?


Currently planning to start adding such findings on AllTheTropes, however just like TvTropes it doesn't have a standard category/subpage for that kind of thing - other than "shout out" or "reference" but those are primarily about intentional references;

so I need to create a new subpage for that stuff - i.e. anything that
a) isn't confirmed or highly likely to be intentional, and
b) is only a resemblance between 2 or a handful of works, and doesn't (to my current knowledge) amount to a wider pattern i.e. a trope;

however I can't think of a proper name for it lol - might settle for something basic and descriptive as "Similarities to Other Works", or sth like "References, Influences and Similarities", however an elegant single term would probably be preferable (if one exists).


Does anyone know if one exists? Do academics possibly have a word that they use in such cases?

After some quick reading, the word you're looking for seems to be Intertextuality.

Intertextuality covers:
Allusion - referring to something covertly or indirectly.
Quotation - referring to something directly.
Plagiarism - copying from another work
Translation - when you move a work from one language to another
Calque - quotation of a literal translation
Pastiche - imitating the style or character of another's work, without mockery.
Parody - Pastiche with mockery.

I was a B grade level English class level student in high school and that was mostly because my term papers were well done.

That being said, I have no idea what you are saying.

I mean is the same as reading the words, read, red and reed, read?

TGLS wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:54 am After some quick reading, the word you're looking for seems to be Intertextuality.

Intertextuality covers:
Allusion - referring to something covertly or indirectly.
Quotation - referring to something directly.
Plagiarism - copying from another work
Translation - when you move a work from one language to another
Calque - quotation of a literal translation
Pastiche - imitating the style or character of another's work, without mockery.
Parody - Pastiche with mockery.

Hm, I was looking around on Wikipedia right before posting this thread, and according to its article on "intertextuality" it's a more specific thing where a work can be only understood if you catch all its references etc. to other stuff;

so another subform of the "term x" I'm looking for lol

Looked around those wiki pages, the "see also" parts etc., and haven't managed to find it there as of now; hm, there's no way it doesn't exist right?

Oddly I think category or genre fits. I mean action movies hit all certain marks whether they are copying each other or not.

Consistency

1.
conformity in the application of something, typically that which is necessary for the sake of logic, accuracy, or fairness.

Replace logic, accuracy, or fairness with "dramatic narrative."

Nealithi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:19 am Oddly I think category or genre fits. I mean action movies hit all certain marks whether they are copying each other or not.

Common genre features with lots of examples are the "tropes" - in this instance I'm talking about specific similarities between 2(+) works that you haven't found anywhere else yet;

*could* turn out to have other such examples and therefore become a trope (already described on the site, or maybe a new one to post in the "trope workshop" page), however unless/until such a thing is revealed it's not a trope.

They've got like a "minimum of 3 examples" there I think, for sth to qualify as a trope - and even then it not always qualifies (or makes sense to be called a trope).

BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:38 am Consistency

1.
conformity in the application of something, typically that which is necessary for the sake of logic, accuracy, or fairness.

Replace logic, accuracy, or fairness with "dramatic narrative."

In case you aren't trolling, I've no idea what you're talking about or how this relates to my question lol

Other than the "Rule of Drama" and related pages, I'm currently not aware what the TVT pages covering the area of the "logic vs. narrative" and stuff like that, are called; lol; I'll tell you when I find out.

Isn't "similarities" sufficient on its own? The context should make it clear what sort of similarities you're thinking of.

Riedquat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:21 pm Isn't "similarities" sufficient on its own? The context should make it clear what sort of similarities you're thinking of.

Well as I said, sth like "similarities to other works" might be an ok title to settle for;

however imo it sounds a bit too blurry and opaque, and one can argue whether it evokes stuff like concrete detailed shot influences, or likely (but not confirmed) allusions etc.;
and also nothing about "similarity" really says "too few examples to be a trope", so if it's introduced as a new subpage, readers might go "huh, isn't that what tropes are" when seeing it first lol

So I'm looking for a potentially better term, if one does exist.

I wonder if like academics have a working term for "hm, just found this striking resemblance between these 2 books - we'll have to go find out if it was an intentional reference, part of a larger pattern, or other context stuff related to it etc. " types of cases, maybe that would be fitting (if the term is descriptive and plain enough, of course).