Ashes to Ashes
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- Overlord
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Re: Ashes to Ashes
I dunno about that. Plenty of humans have no ethical qualms with caging animals so you can one day kill them for food.
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- clearspira
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Chuck raises a solid gold point about this episode though. In order to ''enjoy'' it, you have to completely ignore three pieces of BS:
1) The necromancy, which we've covered.
2) The fact that the aliens can apparently travel at transwarp velocities in order to catch up with Voyager after this length of time. We should have heard of them by now. This is the exact problem as the aliens from ''The 37's''.
3) It requires you to completely ignore everything you think you know about Harry Kim. All of that time he was mourning being away from Libby, purging his emotions to stop having feelings for a hologram, being in love with the wrong Delaney twin... all this time he had a ''soul mate'' on board that he had spent his whole life with and loved dearly and yet was preferring to do all of this other crap instead of dating her. If there is ever a time that ''Harry is gay'' becomes a plausible back up, its now.
When spelled out on paper like this, this is one of the top ten most nonsensical episodes of Voyager. It actually requires you to stop thinking and ignore total BS. If ''Threshold'' is a ''BS Factor 9.9'', this has to be a good ''Factor 8.5'' if only because ''Factor 9'' would be the time the silver blood mimicked a warp powered starship from the anti-matter in its engines to the leola root stew in Neelix's pantry.
1) The necromancy, which we've covered.
2) The fact that the aliens can apparently travel at transwarp velocities in order to catch up with Voyager after this length of time. We should have heard of them by now. This is the exact problem as the aliens from ''The 37's''.
3) It requires you to completely ignore everything you think you know about Harry Kim. All of that time he was mourning being away from Libby, purging his emotions to stop having feelings for a hologram, being in love with the wrong Delaney twin... all this time he had a ''soul mate'' on board that he had spent his whole life with and loved dearly and yet was preferring to do all of this other crap instead of dating her. If there is ever a time that ''Harry is gay'' becomes a plausible back up, its now.
When spelled out on paper like this, this is one of the top ten most nonsensical episodes of Voyager. It actually requires you to stop thinking and ignore total BS. If ''Threshold'' is a ''BS Factor 9.9'', this has to be a good ''Factor 8.5'' if only because ''Factor 9'' would be the time the silver blood mimicked a warp powered starship from the anti-matter in its engines to the leola root stew in Neelix's pantry.
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Re: Ashes to Ashes
You could do it that way.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:09 am Despite Chuck's objections, I can think of a reason or two why the Kobali would reproduce the way they do. Maybe the true species is some kind of parasitizing fungus that just moves in on the host corpse and absorbs their memories and personality.
"Nanotech put into fresh corpses allow it to be turned into a Kobali with uploaded personality and memory."
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You know I'd actually buy that was something that was in a script that got cut. Ensign Guest Star isn't actually Ensign Guest Star; she's a different person who just shares the memories and the face of someone they once knew...
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Hey! Ensign Guest Star in another life is Sheriff Jody Mills! That sheriff saved many lives! Put some respect on Ensign Guest Star!
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Out of all the spinoffs they tried I liked that one the best. The werewolf/vampire/monster thing had a interesting premise but that would have been ruined hard by CW.
Wayward Sisters could have been good if they toned down Claire just a bit. Not completely like the other one but enough not to make her annoying.
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Oh, yeah I forgot about the Urban Melodrama one. It was pretty weak as a premise. WS though had a solid cast and decent enough backstory to carry it through to finding its feet on its own. It could have been something.McAvoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:56 am Out of all the spinoffs they tried I liked that one the best. The werewolf/vampire/monster thing had a interesting premise but that would have been ruined hard by CW.
Wayward Sisters could have been good if they toned down Claire just a bit. Not completely like the other one but enough not to make her annoying.
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I think it was called Bloodlines. Yeah the cast wasn't good and the story for that episode was weak though I did like the premise. But like I said I could have seen CW just turning it into some Twilight bullshit.Deledrius wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:07 amOh, yeah I forgot about the Urban Melodrama one. It was pretty weak as a premise. WS though had a solid cast and decent enough backstory to carry it through to finding its feet on its own. It could have been something.McAvoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:56 am Out of all the spinoffs they tried I liked that one the best. The werewolf/vampire/monster thing had a interesting premise but that would have been ruined hard by CW.
Wayward Sisters could have been good if they toned down Claire just a bit. Not completely like the other one but enough not to make her annoying.
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