What would you have rated The Quickening from Chuck's system?

[Koshundheit]

I had to look up that episode to even remember what it was. And then I had to re-read the summary entirely coz the blurb confused it in my mind with two other "Bashir is on an alien planet trying to cure the locals" so it's not really speaking great to the episode to begin with.

And having read the summary I barely remember that episode. Like, I've watched all of DS9 several times, the entire thing. And for the episode to have left me so little an impression, I feel a 4 or 5 seems accurate? I'll prolly have to re-watch it again to give it a fairer shake.

He has rated episodes higher that he'd enjoyed from a pure "technical standpoint" and to put it on the same level as "Paradise" seems very... unconvincing. It's a billion times better than "Paradise" even "from a technical standpoint."

Well I remember Paradise. I dislike the ending, but Paradise has an imminently loathable hate sink villain, so flaws aside, it at least left an impression, which sure as hell puts it ahead of this one.

Something that might spark a memory of this episode is the first two minutes, with many of the other main cast discussing that Quark has embedded advertising into the station and Defiant's software. The capper is Worf being Worf, coming in, a ball of anger because every time he goes to drink from a replicated mug of prune juice, a little jingle starts. If I recall it is: "Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun. Come right now, don't walk, run!" That's all I watch anymore of the episode. Though I did watch the full episode a second time years after the initial broadcast, hoping to reconsider, because Star Trek is a limited resource. I want to enjoy all of it I can. Oh yes, Paradise is very memorable. Unfortunately the villain is so loathsome that watching the episode is unpleasant for me, and the ending doesn't help.

I just rewatched the end of Chuck's review of The Quickening. He added all kinds of caveats to his rating, and I get why. It can be memorable when someone doesn't like something you really like, like being potentially faced with cognitive dissonance. Also, "Oh no, someone is wrong on the Internet!" I really enjoy TNG's Tin Man, and was surprised Chuck only gave it a 5. While I could see his points, I didn't agree. Maybe I just enjoy watching Picard be irritated more, and enjoy watching Riker show himself to be the closed-minded, arrogant hothead he's unfortunately written to be sometimes. I'm also not surprised or downgrade my mental score when TNG focuses more on the story of the week than the main characters. That's what it often aimed to do, because it was considered better for syndication to not have to know any backstory to watch an episode. But Chuck and I not agreeing all the time isn't something I worry about, or usually even bother commenting on. Rating, or really ranking all the episodes of each series into numbered brackets as Chuck does, cannot be easy. I'd be concerned if we always agreed about everything. Oh, and I can't believe Qpid got the 4 it did. Way too high in my view. And no Mr. Worf, you most certainly are not a merry man!

[RobbyB1982]

What, is everyone just a drone who shapes their views around what he says? I've noticed many of the posters in this thread now share the same thoughts as to be disconcerting, or is this episode really that disliked among fandom? It's a very tightly focused, character-driven story. It deserved no less than a 5, because it is typical of the quality DS9 brought to its characters.

Less that people are shaping their opinions around Chuck's... and more that anyone that's a big old school Trek fan, and that has followed Chuck long enough to watch all his reviews for years,and sign up on a forum to talk about them? Probably have a similar outlook to Chuck in general to begin with.

We'll disagree here and there on minutia, and have personal opinions... but generally if you disagreed with everything a reviewer was saying you probably wouldn't follow them for very long. We follow Chuck because we like the insight he brings and will generally agree with it... even before hearing it, because we all have similar interests and insights to begin with. I know personally my opinions tend to match up with him just about every time, with a few exceptions, mostly towards some movies or TOS which I hold in a lower regard than he does.

And I've been rewatching the series with my wife, who has never seen it, and when we got to the Quickening... yeah. It was technically well done, they did nothing wrong to make it "bad", but it was completely boring for whatever reason, and certainly unpleasant.

Also remember, all scores are relative to their given series. Most DS9 episodes are like a default 2 point difference on a Voyager score. (When Chuck started reviewing DS9, he gave it lots of 7, 8, and 9 scores, then realized the curve was off and had to adjust for the series.) So a 4 on DS9 would be a 6 on Voyager.

[Ghilz]

I had to look up that episode to even remember what it was. And then I had to re-read the summary entirely coz the blurb confused it in my mind with two other "Bashir is on an alien planet trying to cure the locals" so it's not really speaking great to the episode to begin with.

And having read the summary I barely remember that episode. Like, I've watched all of DS9 several times, the entire thing. And for the episode to have left me so little an impression, I feel a 4 or 5 seems accurate? I'll prolly have to re-watch it again to give it a fairer shake.

He has rated episodes higher that he'd enjoyed from a pure "technical standpoint" and to put it on the same level as "Paradise" seems very... unconvincing. It's a billion times better than "Paradise" even "from a technical standpoint."

Well I remember Paradise. I dislike the ending, but Paradise has an imminently loathable hate sink villain, so flaws aside, it at least left an impression, which sure as hell puts it ahead of this one.

Something that might spark a memory of this episode is the first two minutes, with many of the other main cast discussing that Quark has embedded advertising into the station and Defiant's software. The capper is Worf being Worf, coming in, a ball of anger because every time he goes to drink from a replicated mug of prune juice, a little jingle starts. If I recall it is: "Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun. Come right now, don't walk, run!" That's all I watch anymore of the episode. Though I did watch the full episode a second time years after the initial broadcast, hoping to reconsider, because Star Trek is a limited resource. I want to enjoy all of it I can. Oh yes, Paradise is very memorable. Unfortunately the villain is so loathsome that watching the episode is unpleasant for me, and the ending doesn't help.

Oooooh yeah the Quark Jingle episode where some other stuff happens.