Exosquad season one

[thisithis]

Just wanted to add that soon on the 17, that Chuck will be reviewing ExoSquad EP 11 soon. I looked at the schedule. I kinda a big dead for those that have watched ExoSquad, and know what's going to happen. I'll try not to spoil anything, but that EP alone helped ExoSquad compete against Batman: the Animated series. Yes Batman: the Animated series was in fact better then ExoSquad, but it got people to at lest look at ExoSquad, Did that just really happen look. And boosted rating for ExoSquad to give it a 2ed season. Witch had some heartbreaking scenes in season 2 that even made me cry. Well, really only one scene. And yes I know the Exokids in season 2 where just bad, and annoying as hell. But the executives at universal studios wanted ExoSquad to go away to make room for Land Before Time endless sequels.

[thisithis]

Just saw Chuck's review of EP 11 of Exosquad. And I mostly agree with him that Marcus is a dumbass. His replacement in season two who is Jonas Simbacca will actually proof to be much better then Marcus ever was. But I think Chuck did missed the fact that when Marcus died that first Marcus was A major character in an American cartoon to get killed off, Even Johnny Quest won't go there. And yes I know that Japanese Anime was not afraid of doing something like that for years. But it's not just Marcus's death that changed, but when he died he also took The Resolute with him. You know the main ship of the Exo-Fleet, Gone thanks to an idiot. Before Exosquad I never seen a American cartoon kill a major character as well as the main Flag-ship, ever, and yes I know they American cartoon was ok with killing off character, here and there, but never a major characters or blowing up the main Flag-ship.

Yes, Marcus died like an idiot, but it signified major changes in a Saturday morning cartoon.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/animation/exosquad11.php

[Rocketboy1313]

I like how it takes an act of genocide to push the Good-Guy Neo Sapien over to join his people rather than the humans.
Cause that is what it is, the destruction of a facility that breeds Neo Sapiens would be akin to a nursery. They might be the equivalent of Jem Hadar but they do have a right to exist and there is no reason to think that those Neo Sapiens in the tubes would be as inclined toward genocide against the humans than Marsala is so exterminating the Neo Sapiens' ability to breed would be akin to mass sterilization. Sure they could later recover and rebuild their society, but to Marsala he has to protect the lives of all his brothers/cousins/countrymen who have not actually done anything wrong yet.

[KhanCipher]

There was one lawsuit but that was from FASA Corporation and Jordan Weisman, claiming that Playmates stole a Exo frame designs from them and put it on Exosquad. Only to find out that Exosquad belonged to Universal Pictures, and that Playmates didn't even own the rights. The man that created Exosquad, Jeff Segal was head of Universal Pictures Animation at the time. And no forgetting that FASA Corporation and Jordan Weisman was caught taking Exo frame designs from Robotech (AKA: Macross, and many other titles.) Basically the lawsuit was laughed out of court.

Well for starters the lawsuit between Playmates and FASA was about a toy Playmates was making that looked a lot like a staple Omnimech of the battletech franchise. And secondly the designs were lifted from Macross before Robotech came to america.

And well there's a lot more info about the unseen here (including that Harmony Gold probably didn't actually have any legal standing due to not really owning the sole rights in the states.)

[dememcowen]

I'm impressed how quickly the show made me wish the sun would go super-nova and wipe all these assholes off the face of the universe.


I mean, its not bad show, honestly. I just find everyone so fucking hateable. I mean, the story twists itself in knots to make Neo-Spians look as bad as possible to get you to forget we GENETICALLY ENGINEERED A FUCKING SLAVE RACE. I mean, the resistance in Chicago is a few missing skull emblems from being Werwolf. Never mind my biggest fucking hate button. People being obstructionist assholes to each other for no reason but lazy writing.

To be fair progress were being for the Neo-Sapiens, they had Mars to themselves and people like the mayor of Chicago was reaching out to them as equal who as far I can tell the mayor did not know about Photon's plans. As series progress it shows Photon only care about his ambition, not for the Neo-Sapiens cause.

As for Marcus, he was a dumbass through and through, I was shocked an idiot like that manage to lead a good guy fleet to a horrible defeat. The worst part is a sizable number of the fleet crew agreed with Marcus and allow this to happen.

[Beastro]

Cause that is what it is, the destruction of a facility that breeds Neo Sapiens would be akin to a nursery. They might be the equivalent of Jem Hadar but they do have a right to exist and there is no reason to think that those Neo Sapiens in the tubes would be as inclined toward genocide against the humans than Marsala is so exterminating the Neo Sapiens' ability to breed would be akin to mass sterilization.

In and existential war you don't have the luxury of dealing with what could be, you deal with direct possibilities and that breeding facility effectively puts the entire war into an Us vs Them situation for the immediate future (until a new one could be built in the post-war, when Mankind can afford the luxury of allowing the Neos to breed again).

Sure they could later recover and rebuild their society, but to Marsala he has to protect the lives of all his brothers/cousins/countrymen who have not actually done anything wrong yet.

Spoilers!






Except he doesn't betray them.

He's the archetypal outsider who is more loyal to the cause than even many humans are because he knows what is at stake for everyone, and that harming his people to that degree is worth it in the end because leaving them to Phaeton is a worse fate.

His "betrayal" was because he knew Able squad had no chance of destroying the facility even with Mars stripped bare and that it had to be infiltrated and convincingly so. In that pursuit he played Devil's Advocate channeling his justifiable feelings over the mistreatment of the Neo's so he could get close and blow the place up. I don't know if it's directly pointed out in the series, but it's strongly hinted that Marsala was one of the leaders of first revolt if not THE leader of it and he learned his lesson from it more ways than one.

[Robovski]

Just saw Chuck's review of EP 11 of Exosquad. And I mostly agree with him that Marcus is a dumbass. His replacement in season two who is Jonas Simbacca will actually proof to be much better then Marcus ever was. But I think Chuck did missed the fact that when Marcus died that first Marcus was A major character in an American cartoon to get killed off, Even Johnny Quest won't go there. And yes I know that Japanese Anime was not afraid of doing something like that for years. But it's not just Marcus's death that changed, but when he died he also took The Resolute with him. You know the main ship of the Exo-Fleet, Gone thanks to an idiot. Before Exosquad I never seen a American cartoon kill a major character as well as the main Flag-ship, ever, and yes I know they American cartoon was ok with killing off character, here and there, but never a major characters or blowing up the main Flag-ship.

Yes, Marcus died like an idiot, but it signified major changes in a Saturday morning cartoon.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/animation/exosquad11.php

They killed Optimus Prime in the first half hour (and like 95% of the extant Autobots) of Transformers: The Movie back in 1986. Now, admittedly, this is in a movie bridging season 2 and 3 of the G1 Transformers universe and not in an regular episode, but they do bring Optimus back and kill him again later.

[thisithis]

They killed Optimus Prime in the first half hour (and like 95% of the extant Autobots) of Transformers: The Movie back in 1986. Now, admittedly, this is in a movie bridging season 2 and 3 of the G1 Transformers universe and not in an regular episode, but they do bring Optimus back and kill him again later.

Spoilers!

True, but in the end, after the 2ed resurrection of Optimus, he was back for good. But Marcus never came back, ever. And with Phaeton cloning his Generals he only cloned one human, and that was that Alice Noretti the woman that died in the 2ed story line when Able Squad was landing on Earth pretending to be an astroid. And when she died a 2ed time, she never came back. And as for Alec DeLeon, he was cloned by another Neosapien when the war was over. With the Resolute coming back as Resolute 2, made by the Space pirates (or the pirates that thought they could join the Neosapiens) to hurt the EX0-Fleet, but thanks to Jonas Simbacca, the Resolute 2 was sent to the Exo-Fleet instead. And Nara Burns loses her little Bother trying to save Marsala from a group Humans. Or when the Aliens show up and kill all the Space pirates.

The thing is Exosquad was not afraid to kill major characters, And they didn't need a movie to do that.

[Aotrs Commander]

As for Marcus, he was a dumbass through and through, I was shocked an idiot like that manage to lead a good guy fleet to a horrible defeat. The worst part is a sizable number of the fleet crew agreed with Marcus and allow this to happen.

Actually, you'd be amazed how realistic this actually is. I am only familiar with the show through the reviews, but I was sat there thinking how much this sort of thing reminded of historical generals.

I can recommend Geoffey Regan's Military Blunders books for being very enlightening (and simultaneously depressing) on how easy it is for ineptitude of all stripes to rise to command. (And in comparison to some, Marcus wouldn't even be among the worst offenders.)

[thisithis]

As for Marcus, he was a dumbass through and through, I was shocked an idiot like that manage to lead a good guy fleet to a horrible defeat. The worst part is a sizable number of the fleet crew agreed with Marcus and allow this to happen.

I'm just going to add a tiny part here and say that Neosapien already took over Earth, Mars, and Venus, I'm just going to say that Most of the Humans in the fleet where just desperate and scared most likely. They all lost there planets, and most likely welling to do anything to take it back. The smart one all went to the jail with Winfield. There was a scene where Takagi boarded the Resolute to where he got fired at by Marcus's men, and Takagi found his way to Winfield's men where they let him know about the mutiny. But Marcus's men overwhelmed them, before Winfield's men could do anything. I have no idea why Chuck didn't show that scene?