DIS - Project Deadalus

[ChrisTheLovableJerk]

I'm actually making a new award which I will be including even in the current Trek era and naming it in honor of her, to be Airiamed is to take an interesting character from a previous season or series, and then kill them off for cheap tragedy.

That's a flaw that sadly applies to a lot of writing in movies, shows, comics and such nowadays, it's why certain character deaths feel so cheap and rushed.

[RobbyB1982]

Seriously how often will that happen?

Well its going to come up in Picard at least twice, maybe four times depending on how Chuck feels about the handling of the ending.

He still hasn't done the episode of DS9 where Jadzia dies. Considering the actress was willing to still be on the show in the last season, but just wanted to be in less episodes, her death was absolutely needless. (And he hasn't done the episode Visionary yet where Obrien dies and then gets replaced by himself... but that might be a different category.)

If he hadn't already reviewed Star Trek into Darkness it'd apply there.

Whenever he gets around to the last chunk of Beast Wars there's a bunch of rampant random deaths in that.

[Makeshift Python]

Let's bring this back to the actual episode instead of yet another "why I hate Discovery/modern Trek/etc." hatefest.

I feel like it's gonna be a long time before anyone wants to really talk about anything beyond their own gripes about the show in general.

[Chengar Qordath]

Seriously how often will that happen?

Well its going to come up in Picard at least twice, maybe four times depending on how Chuck feels about the handling of the ending.

He still hasn't done the episode of DS9 where Jadzia dies. Considering the actress was willing to still be on the show in the last season, but just wanted to be in less episodes, her death was absolutely needless. (And he hasn't done the episode Visionary yet where Obrien dies and then gets replaced by himself... but that might be a different category.)

If he hadn't already reviewed Star Trek into Darkness it'd apply there.

Whenever he gets around to the last chunk of Beast Wars there's a bunch of rampant random deaths in that.

Not to mention if he ever does the Star Wars sequels or Mass Effect 3.

[cloudkitt]

Discovery is so transparent that the instant the episode began with giving her some backstory I was 100% positive she wouldn't survive to the credits. And the way the show then goes on to milk the death for pathos in the next episode is just eyerolly. Yes, it's technically better that the characters in-universe acknowledge the death, but given that this character has been there for 2 seasons and for the vast majority of it I could not have even told you her name much less anything about her - it's just hacky.

Also agreed on the split-second of being pleased about Spock calling out Michael for making everything about her before they can't even let that hang for a full episode before confirming that, no, it is literally all about her.

That they didn't even mention the transporter at the end was certainly dumb, but it pales in comparison to the stupidity around it's non-use for the season finale's requisite cheap death.

[BunBun299]

Of course everything is about Michael. She's a Mary Sue. The laws of the universe dictate that everything be about her in some way.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, I feel like that's the distinction between "Mary Sue" and "hyper competent character". A hyper competent character can do amazing things, because they're hyper competent. Even if they occasionally strain credibility and belief, they're operating at superhuman capacity to do amazing things.

A Mary Sue discovers a time traveling AI plot to wipe out all life in the galaxy, and of COURSE the entire thing revolves around them.

I was actually pulling for it being Michael's birth mother, because her birth mother meddling to try and keep her daughter safe using stolen technology and whatever she could would have been an actually interesting plot. A time traveler looking over your shoulder and trying to nudge things back on course is a bit meh as a plot device, but it at least explains some of the fantastic things, and hey, if the acting and script are good I've watched worse. "Temporal Cold War" comes to mind.

Nope, it's Michael, because of course.

[Riedquat]

I'm actually making a new award which I will be including even in the current Trek era and naming it in honor of her, to be Airiamed is to take an interesting character from a previous season or series, and then kill them off for cheap tragedy.

Hmm, I wonder what other characters might be under consideration for that, in what other current era series...?

[BunBun299]

I'm still confused why they thought giving Spock a half-sibling never seen or mentioned before would be a good idea. I mean...they do remember how well that went over in The Final Frontier, right? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Michael to have been Sarek's apprentice or some such thing? The whole sibling thing really doesn't add much and just feels shoehorned in. Then again, this show did give us the Spore Drive and turned Harry Mudd into a sadistic monster, so there's probably no idea too dumb for them.

I think you're expecting a bit much of the current writers of Star Trek to actually watch any of the old series or for them to in any way be aware of fan opinions of particular movies or episodes.

[drewder]

Let's bring this back to the actual episode instead of yet another "why I hate Discovery/modern Trek/etc." hatefest. I overall like this episode, but it's indicative of a few problems of the show- Oh, goddamn it...

Erm, anyway - Airiam, in an episode where we finally, TRULY learn more about her as a person and not just a background makeup effect... is killed off. And not just killed off, but killed off stupidly. Blowing her out into space is fine... but why the hell couldn't Discovery beam her up into the brig? I commented on this when I first saw the episode, and maybe I missed a line of dialogue, but I don't think there was anything in there that indicated she couldn't just be beamed up again once she was clear of the station. Discovery is WASTEFUL. That's one of its biggest issues.

I was so happy when Spock called out Michael for her BS that made everything about her... and then the show went ahead and made it all about her anyway. I'm with Chuck - I don't hate Michael, I hate how the goddamn universe revolves around her in every little way.

I'm actually making a new award which I will be including even in the current Trek era and naming it in honor of her, to be Airiamed is to take an interesting character from a previous season or series, and then kill them off for cheap tragedy.

Does Tasha count? She died in the same season she was introduced but her death was a pretty cheap tragedy