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I have to admit given the Federation and their prime directive I can't blame the Bynar's for thinking they'd be left to die out. Ironically this is pretty much the entire situation with the Romulans later only they didn't come up with a solution and died out.

Senko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:26 pm I have to admit given the Federation and their prime directive I can't blame the Bynar's for thinking they'd be left to die out. Ironically this is pretty much the entire situation with the Romulans later only they didn't come up with a solution and died out.

Didn't only the planet get destroyed in a supernova. I mean I haven't watched Picard so I obviously don't know the state of the Romulans in the future but if they were an Alpha Quadrant powerhouse that rivaled the Federation and Klingons and turned the tide in the Dominion War you would think they had more planets and the Species wouldn't be even close to extinction.

Beelzquill wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:58 pm

Senko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:26 pm I have to admit given the Federation and their prime directive I can't blame the Bynar's for thinking they'd be left to die out. Ironically this is pretty much the entire situation with the Romulans later only they didn't come up with a solution and died out.

Didn't only the planet get destroyed in a supernova. I mean I haven't watched Picard so I obviously don't know the state of the Romulans in the future but if they were an Alpha Quadrant powerhouse that rivaled the Federation and Klingons and turned the tide in the Dominion War you would think they had more planets and the Species wouldn't be even close to extinction.

I think that it would be like if Washington DC for nuke it wouldn't destroy all America but the government as we knew it would change. Plus with Klingons and the cardassian dislike of Romulans took advantage plus anyone in Romulans space might break away from them.

Yeah, this episode is one of the few good episodes from S1.
I do find it odd that the Bynars needed Enterprise for this task, surely a warp capable civilization had to have ships of their own with high capacity storage memory, right? Unless of course the Bynars don't believe in data backup.

Mabus wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:52 pm Yeah, this episode is one of the few good episodes from S1.
I do find it odd that the Bynars needed Enterprise for this task, surely a warp capable civilization had to have ships of their own with high capacity storage memory, right? Unless of course the Bynars don't believe in data backup.

I believe that canonically the enterprise D has the largest mobile computer in the federation. Mind you that doesn't answer why you couldn't use two or three ships.

Senko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:26 pm I have to admit given the Federation and their prime directive I can't blame the Bynar's for thinking they'd be left to die out. Ironically this is pretty much the entire situation with the Romulans later only they didn't come up with a solution and died out.

Normally the prime directive doesn't apply to warp capable species who are asking for help. I also think that it is likely that the Bynars are federation members since even season one federation isn't so stupid as to outsource the complete overhaul of their most heavily armed and powerful "peaceship's" computer to a nonaligned species. It'd be like the US government outsourcing their military communications systems to Huawei.

Seeing a new Star Trek TNG made me joyous. Learning it was Season one made me giddy!

There's something about how the early TNG seasons focus so much on the mundane little things and minutiae of future living that I really like... when it isn't being boring as heck.

planescaped wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:58 pm Seeing a new Star Trek TNG made me joyous. Learning it was Season one made me giddy!

There's something about how the early TNG seasons focus so much on the mundane little things and minutiae of future living that I really like... when it isn't being boring as heck.

It is nice having a story that is more than our heroes accidentally threaten the universe.

Trooper924 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:15 pm When I watched this, I found the moment where Picard and Riker go to the weapons room to be unintentionally funny. Because with the dramatic music combined with the shot of the sign on the door, you'd think that they're going to arm up with some heavy-duty firepower, but instead they come out with the same dinky little, garage door opener-looking phasers they always use. It's just so anticlimactic.

Has Star Trek ever made cool or even not-lame armor?
I feel like a modern sci-fi property would have the two of them come out in T-51 power armor just to show off that the Federation has warfare capability but chooses to be explorers.
And at the time this was made... They had to be looking at the old Cylons and Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future and thinking, "Can we do better than those? Or should we not even try?"

The Bynar's plan was really stupid. Steal the Federation's flagship rather then asking to borrow it or a couple of old World of Warcraft servers you know the Federation has and trick the first officer into leaving them alone by trying to make him a dating simulator to keep him occupied. Though to be fair the dating simulator part did work if not for Picard. At best they've just committed an act that some might consider to be an act of war and could endanger not only themselves but their entire species, you know the 4 stooges weren't acting alone. Nearly failed with the Enterprise nearly getting Picard pie'd.

I understand why people like the Bynar's but I never particularly liked them myself. Their whole culture, and yes I'm being humancentric here, seems kinda horrifying to echo some of what clearspira said. The forced "lobotomy" and forced pairing (I'm assuming its forced, doesn't exactly seem like there is alot of choice or individuality on their parts), one in their species cannot be an individual mentally or even physically and have zero choice. They are not benign Borg, they are the Borg if confined to one species though with less gimp suits.

Also probably pretty boorish of me to notice but I again can't help noticing these supposedly genderless aliens are a bunch of obvious women like the genderless aliens that Riker tried to bang one of. I would think if they were trying to go with genderless aliens they'd put them in something other then skin tight outfits that emphasis their obvious feminine curves.