ENT - Hatchery

[McAvoy]

Not sure if saving the hatchlings wasn't worth the risk, I am reminded of one of my childhood shows, Transformers Cybertron.

For context, the main conflict is an abnormal black hole that will suck up the whole universe(supplementary material says that the entire multiverse is at risk) unless they can find four mystical key like artifacts and the lock-like channeling device they go into, to awaken the Transformer God, Primus. And the stakes are doubled because Megatron/Galvatron and the rouge Starscream want to use the artifacts to speed up the destruction of the cosmos, so they can remake it in their own image.

In the specific moment I want to highlight for comparison, the good guys have three of the keys and the lock but Starscream shows up to take them.

After a battle, the keys and lock are falling towards the ground with Optimus Prime and Starscream both going after them. Starscream fires missiles at the tagalong human kids and Optimus goes to save the kids and lets Starscream have the artifacts, which directly leads to Starscream absorbing some of Primus' life force and become a superpowered skyscraper sized monstrosity.

But the Autobots are just like "Don't worry, we'll just steal the Omega Lock back." And they do, they also wake up Primus, destroy the black hole and put down Galvy for good.

The moment can be viewed here: Starting at 18:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwBHZNt_6eg

Not sure that was relevant to the Enterprise episode...

It is because, if Optimus made the right call in refusing to engage in lesser of two evil-ism, why was Archer?

The comparison is very bare.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

Not sure if saving the hatchlings wasn't worth the risk, I am reminded of one of my childhood shows, Transformers Cybertron.

For context, the main conflict is an abnormal black hole that will suck up the whole universe(supplementary material says that the entire multiverse is at risk) unless they can find four mystical key like artifacts and the lock-like channeling device they go into, to awaken the Transformer God, Primus. And the stakes are doubled because Megatron/Galvatron and the rouge Starscream want to use the artifacts to speed up the destruction of the cosmos, so they can remake it in their own image.

In the specific moment I want to highlight for comparison, the good guys have three of the keys and the lock but Starscream shows up to take them.

After a battle, the keys and lock are falling towards the ground with Optimus Prime and Starscream both going after them. Starscream fires missiles at the tagalong human kids and Optimus goes to save the kids and lets Starscream have the artifacts, which directly leads to Starscream absorbing some of Primus' life force and become a superpowered skyscraper sized monstrosity.

But the Autobots are just like "Don't worry, we'll just steal the Omega Lock back." And they do, they also wake up Primus, destroy the black hole and put down Galvy for good.

The moment can be viewed here: Starting at 18:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwBHZNt_6eg

Not sure that was relevant to the Enterprise episode...

It is because, if Optimus made the right call in refusing to engage in lesser of two evil-ism, why was Archer?

The comparison is very bare.

In what way?

[McAvoy]

Not sure if saving the hatchlings wasn't worth the risk, I am reminded of one of my childhood shows, Transformers Cybertron.

For context, the main conflict is an abnormal black hole that will suck up the whole universe(supplementary material says that the entire multiverse is at risk) unless they can find four mystical key like artifacts and the lock-like channeling device they go into, to awaken the Transformer God, Primus. And the stakes are doubled because Megatron/Galvatron and the rouge Starscream want to use the artifacts to speed up the destruction of the cosmos, so they can remake it in their own image.

In the specific moment I want to highlight for comparison, the good guys have three of the keys and the lock but Starscream shows up to take them.

After a battle, the keys and lock are falling towards the ground with Optimus Prime and Starscream both going after them. Starscream fires missiles at the tagalong human kids and Optimus goes to save the kids and lets Starscream have the artifacts, which directly leads to Starscream absorbing some of Primus' life force and become a superpowered skyscraper sized monstrosity.

But the Autobots are just like "Don't worry, we'll just steal the Omega Lock back." And they do, they also wake up Primus, destroy the black hole and put down Galvy for good.

The moment can be viewed here: Starting at 18:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwBHZNt_6eg

Not sure that was relevant to the Enterprise episode...

It is because, if Optimus made the right call in refusing to engage in lesser of two evil-ism, why was Archer?

The comparison is very bare.

In what way?

Have you watched the episode lately or season 3?

The difference is this, your Transformers comparison would suggest that Archer had a very near time crunch, that he had something or will have something during that episode that the Xindi needs or wants for their super weapon. It suggests that the hatchlings were in the crossfire between Archer and the Xindi somehow.

When in reality, yes there was a time crunch but it wasn't an immediate problem for that episode as suggested by your comparison.

Archer was under the influence to care for those hatchlings by them. Yes, Archer investigated and still protected them in the end. These hatchlings has nothing of value for Enterprise in their mission to stop the Super weapon.

Enterprise has nothing that was preventing the Xindi from finishing the Super weapon.

The hatchlings were not in the crossfire between Archer and the Xindi and they were Xindi themselves of the Insectoid species.

And ultimately, saving the hatchlings didn't allow the Xindi to finish their super weapon.

Your comparison is only similar in that a choice was made.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

Not sure if saving the hatchlings wasn't worth the risk, I am reminded of one of my childhood shows, Transformers Cybertron.

For context, the main conflict is an abnormal black hole that will suck up the whole universe(supplementary material says that the entire multiverse is at risk) unless they can find four mystical key like artifacts and the lock-like channeling device they go into, to awaken the Transformer God, Primus. And the stakes are doubled because Megatron/Galvatron and the rouge Starscream want to use the artifacts to speed up the destruction of the cosmos, so they can remake it in their own image.

In the specific moment I want to highlight for comparison, the good guys have three of the keys and the lock but Starscream shows up to take them.

After a battle, the keys and lock are falling towards the ground with Optimus Prime and Starscream both going after them. Starscream fires missiles at the tagalong human kids and Optimus goes to save the kids and lets Starscream have the artifacts, which directly leads to Starscream absorbing some of Primus' life force and become a superpowered skyscraper sized monstrosity.

But the Autobots are just like "Don't worry, we'll just steal the Omega Lock back." And they do, they also wake up Primus, destroy the black hole and put down Galvy for good.

The moment can be viewed here: Starting at 18:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwBHZNt_6eg

Not sure that was relevant to the Enterprise episode...

It is because, if Optimus made the right call in refusing to engage in lesser of two evil-ism, why was Archer?

The comparison is very bare.

In what way?

Have you watched the episode lately or season 3?

The difference is this, your Transformers comparison would suggest that Archer had a very near time crunch, that he had something or will have something during that episode that the Xindi needs or wants for their super weapon. It suggests that the hatchlings were in the crossfire between Archer and the Xindi somehow.

When in reality, yes there was a time crunch but it wasn't an immediate problem for that episode as suggested by your comparison.

Archer was under the influence to care for those hatchlings by them. Yes, Archer investigated and still protected them in the end. These hatchlings has nothing of value for Enterprise in their mission to stop the Super weapon.

Enterprise has nothing that was preventing the Xindi from finishing the Super weapon.

The hatchlings were not in the crossfire between Archer and the Xindi and they were Xindi themselves of the Insectoid species.

And ultimately, saving the hatchlings didn't allow the Xindi to finish their super weapon.

Your comparison is only similar in that a choice was made.

But by Chuck's logic, wouldn't keeping the Omega Lock out of Starscrem's hands more important than saving the human kids in the Transformers example? They needed to get the Cyber Planet Keys to Cybertron as soon as possible and having to get it back from Starscream caused a delay and a new threat in the form of Starscream becoming a nearly unstoppable juggernaut that went on to almost kill Primus.

[CharlesPhipps]

I think saving a bunch of alien kids is fine but Archer needs to do both while this episode is about him deciding to ignore his other mission. Mind you, I wonder if the writers underestimated how much Star Trek fans would sympathize with the insectoid eggs. I take it as a ship full of babies that Archer is protecting.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

This plot resembles a TNG episode where a clone of Picard does the same thing while Picard himself trapped with 3 aliens. It doesn't detour much or add anything here except a more juicy infestation going on aboard the ship.

Archer is more interesting to watch here than Picard was.

[CharlesPhipps]

This plot resembles a TNG episode where a clone of Picard does the same thing while Picard himself trapped with 3 aliens. It doesn't detour much or add anything here except a more juicy infestation going on aboard the ship.

Archer is more interesting to watch here than Picard was.

Picard sings in that episode so you are wrong.

[Meushell]

I think saving a bunch of alien kids is fine but Archer needs to do both while this episode is about him deciding to ignore his other mission. Mind you, I wonder if the writers underestimated how much Star Trek fans would sympathize with the insectoid eggs. I take it as a ship full of babies that Archer is protecting.

Yeah, the scene with the babies crawling all over him was simply adorable, but I don’t think it was supposed to be.