[DS9] Til Death Do Us Part

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FaxModem1 wrote:The problem is, for all intents and purposes, the great threat they will unleash are the Pah Wraiths. But, the Pah Wraiths are a paper tiger. We've seen the extent of their powers, and it boils down to possessing a middle aged botanist, with O'Brien able to kill one, Kai Winn able to make them run away by typing into a console. Dukat trying to conquer the galaxy with them just seemed silly.
Well, in theory, they could pose the same kind of threat the Changelings posed—just instead of replacing people in positions of power, possess them. In practice, though, the fact that they always have to act like super ridiculous over-the-top moustache-twirling pantomime villains would probably give them away.
It'd be darkly hilarious if the events of the finale happened, and instead of Sisko going alone with a phaser, he had the crew of the Defiant set up the same gas from the Reckoning and pumped it into the caves, with the device modifications from The Assignment, ending their reign of terror with SCIENCE!
For the same reason, I was always wondering why the Dominion weren't trying extra hard to retake the station after the events of "Sacrifice of Angels", so they could use it to fire those technobabble beams it's capable of producing into the wormhole, killing the Prophets and allowing them to bring in ships from the Gamma Quadrant again.
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You know what, thinking of it some more, your ending could have brought a neat symmetry to the series. All you'd have to do is say that the whateveryon particles can only be generated by the station itself and not by the Defiant, so in order to stop the paghwraiths, they'd have to move the station back into orbit around Bajor like it was at the beginning—and why not, since no one's ever going to be able to use the wormhole again after the events of the last two seasons anyway.

Toss in some mention of Bajor finally deciding to join the Federation in gratitude, and it'd be just perfect.
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Durandal_1707 wrote:
It'd be darkly hilarious if the events of the finale happened, and instead of Sisko going alone with a phaser, he had the crew of the Defiant set up the same gas from the Reckoning and pumped it into the caves, with the device modifications from The Assignment, ending their reign of terror with SCIENCE!
For the same reason, I was always wondering why the Dominion weren't trying extra hard to retake the station after the events of "Sacrifice of Angels", so they could use it to fire those technobabble beams it's capable of producing into the wormhole, killing the Prophets and allowing them to bring in ships from the Gamma Quadrant again.
I think post-Romulan alliance, the Founders were slowly losing the war, and slowly being pushed back to Cardassian space. It's why the season 6 finale involves the Alliance invading Chin'toka, which is part of the Cardassian Union before the Dominion war. Most of the early war was the Dominion taking Federation territory, followed by the Alliance trying to retake it. It seems like most of season 6 was the Dominion war being fought on multiple fronts, with DS9 being far enough behind the lines to be a resupply and repair station for the fleet.

The Dominion could have thrown everything they had at the station to get to the station and kill the Prophets, but they would have probably made themselves too vulnerable on every other front to make it worthwhile if they failed.
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FaxModem1 wrote:The Dominion could have thrown everything they had at the station to get to the station and kill the Prophets, but they would have probably made themselves too vulnerable on every other front to make it worthwhile if they failed.
Not to mention that the Dominion couldn't be sure that killing the Prophets didn't also equal closing the wormhole - permanently. Not sure if the show ever made that clear, but even if the Dominion was aware of how to kill the Prophets, they probably couldn't be sure the Prophets' death wouldn't cause the wormhole to collapse a la either "Load-Bearing Boss" type situation, or just as a dying "Screw you" to the Dominion. Either way, best not to chance the only way to either get home or get reinforcements.
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Well, given that the reason the paghwraiths had tried it before was to clear the place out so they could go back, I think it's safe to assume that it won't collapse the wormhole. Otherwise, it'd be rather poor planning on the part of the paghwraiths. :P
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Durandal_1707 wrote:Well, given that the reason the paghwraiths had tried it before was to clear the place out so they could go back, I think it's safe to assume that it won't collapse the wormhole. Otherwise, it'd be rather poor planning on the part of the paghwraiths. :P

We have little evidence that the paghwraiths are intelligent, capable planners who make good decisions. Eg. fucking with Myles O'Brien through his wife. In fact, we have little evidence that the wormhole aliens are any good at planning and making good decisions; they didn't even understand the concept of linear time until a few years ago when Sisko helped clue them in.
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Robovski wrote:
Durandal_1707 wrote:Well, given that the reason the paghwraiths had tried it before was to clear the place out so they could go back, I think it's safe to assume that it won't collapse the wormhole. Otherwise, it'd be rather poor planning on the part of the paghwraiths. :P

We have little evidence that the paghwraiths are intelligent, capable planners who make good decisions. Eg. fucking with Myles O'Brien through his wife. In fact, we have little evidence that the wormhole aliens are any good at planning and making good decisions; they didn't even understand the concept of linear time until a few years ago when Sisko helped clue them in.
Yeah, but this isn't bad planning in a small way. Planning to get back into your locked house by burning the house down is Homer Simpson levels of incompetence. :P
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Durandal_1707 wrote:
Robovski wrote:
Durandal_1707 wrote:Well, given that the reason the paghwraiths had tried it before was to clear the place out so they could go back, I think it's safe to assume that it won't collapse the wormhole. Otherwise, it'd be rather poor planning on the part of the paghwraiths. :P

We have little evidence that the paghwraiths are intelligent, capable planners who make good decisions. Eg. fucking with Myles O'Brien through his wife. In fact, we have little evidence that the wormhole aliens are any good at planning and making good decisions; they didn't even understand the concept of linear time until a few years ago when Sisko helped clue them in.
Yeah, but this isn't bad planning in a small way. Planning to get back into your locked house by burning the house down is Homer Simpson levels of incompetence. :P
It should be noted that the Pah'Wraiths big action in the season 6 finale(aside from killing Jadzia), is closing the wormhole. So, they may not burn the house down, but they consider locking themselves outside it just as valid a plan. :P
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Robovski wrote:... they didn't even understand the concept of linear time until a few years ago when Sisko helped clue them in.
Since they aren't linear beings, does that mean that they've always known about it? As long as they learn it at some point, then they've always have known it.
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ScreamingDoom wrote:
Robovski wrote:... they didn't even understand the concept of linear time until a few years ago when Sisko helped clue them in.
Since they aren't linear beings, does that mean that they've always known about it? As long as they learn it at some point, then they've always have known it.

Don't examine that too hard. You will just give everyone a headache. However, the nature of their existence suggests that contact with time bound beings retcons their whole history. Basically, by contacting the Prophets in Emissary, Sisko caused the Prophets to make sure he was born and create the Orbs which created the Bajoran religion.

Aside. Apparently Damar never takes off his uniform to sleep or entertain a female companion. Even G'Kar on Babylon 5 at least got a night robe.
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