SNW: Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach

[McAvoy]

Tell me Clearspira do you own any Nike shoes?

Do people actually buy those? Non-sports people, I mean. I don't think I know anyone with Nike shoes.

I see what you're getting at, but this might be a bad example. It's not a likely "gotcha" for most people.

When you say non-sports people, do you mean athletes or just anyone who does any kind of physical activity like jogging or something?

In any case, probably not.

[clearspira]

https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/w106.php

Along with the Xeno-Gorn, probably one of the worst things to have come out of SNW.
Ursula Le Guin's original short story is more of a "what if" scenario rather than a proper story, and thus it's not something that can be translated into something more solid without changing the story to some degree. The setting of the original story takes place in a remote location, low tech, where, people have few options besides staying and leaving. But in the Star Trek universe, with thousands if not more habitable planets some even well outside the sphere of influence of expanding powers, there's no reason why anyone on Majalis, a very advanced warp-capable civilization, would be comfortable living on a doomed planet when you could just pack your stuff and go somewhere else. No, one colony failing doesn't mean living on another planet isn't possible, it just means bad planning. I mean, come on, the Federation creates outer colonies every 2 episodes.

Also, whatever solution dr. M'Benga got for his daughter's illness, is rendered pointless by the fact that 2 episodes later she's saved by that magic space cloud, so this subplot was a complete waste of time.

To be fair, that actually makes the Omelas story relevant as social satire.

"Western civilization is built on a lot of suffering children. Have you considered not living off that exploitation?"

200 years ago perhaps. Hardly a timely moral to have.

Tell me Clearspira do you own any Nike shoes?

Eastern civilisation still uses sweat shops, I agree. In Western civilisation children are the most protected class imaginable.

[Thebestoftherest]

And most of our stuff come from the East

[Durandal_1707]

Tell me Clearspira do you own any Nike shoes?

Do people actually buy those? Non-sports people, I mean. I don't think I know anyone with Nike shoes.

I see what you're getting at, but this might be a bad example. It's not a likely "gotcha" for most people.

I highly doubt that Nike is the only shoe brand that has this problem.

[Deledrius]

I highly doubt that Nike is the only shoe brand that has this problem.

Exactly.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/w106.php

Along with the Xeno-Gorn, probably one of the worst things to have come out of SNW.
Ursula Le Guin's original short story is more of a "what if" scenario rather than a proper story, and thus it's not something that can be translated into something more solid without changing the story to some degree. The setting of the original story takes place in a remote location, low tech, where, people have few options besides staying and leaving. But in the Star Trek universe, with thousands if not more habitable planets some even well outside the sphere of influence of expanding powers, there's no reason why anyone on Majalis, a very advanced warp-capable civilization, would be comfortable living on a doomed planet when you could just pack your stuff and go somewhere else. No, one colony failing doesn't mean living on another planet isn't possible, it just means bad planning. I mean, come on, the Federation creates outer colonies every 2 episodes.

Also, whatever solution dr. M'Benga got for his daughter's illness, is rendered pointless by the fact that 2 episodes later she's saved by that magic space cloud, so this subplot was a complete waste of time.

To be fair, that actually makes the Omelas story relevant as social satire.

"Western civilization is built on a lot of suffering children. Have you considered not living off that exploitation?"

200 years ago perhaps. Hardly a timely moral to have.

Tell me Clearspira do you own any Nike shoes?

Eastern civilisation still uses sweat shops, I agree. In Western civilisation children are the most protected class imaginable.

Dude, the united states is bringing back child labor in meat packing plants. And just because it's not happening in your backyard, that doesnt' change your relationship to living off of that exploitation. Outsourced child labor is still child labor.

[Deledrius]

Yeah, it's still happening; it's not just a thing of the past. And even if we didn't live in a global economy, humanity is humanity as far as I'm concerned. There really isn't a "not my problem" here (though it's fair to say I have a lot less I can do in many cases -- even in my own country I have little power to do anything -- it's still a collective failure).