DIS: “Will You Take My Hand?”

[thisithis]

I did hear sfdebris mention StarGate Universe. Mostly just lighting. So, he does know about SGU and how much it killed the StarGate franchise. SGU only had two seasons and I think Dis will follow. Does that mean he's may end up reviewing SGU? Because I think when he gets to the PE where the scientist fight the well armed and well trained Marines was one of the most boneheaded ideas ever put on TV or any show. Or at least one of the most one-sided fist fights ever.

I'm not sure that SGU "killed" StarGate. The other two SG shows had already wrapped up by the time SG:U came along and it was a surprise that they were making another one at all. Had it not been made then SG would have been finished anyway. It was intended to be a continuation (vs Dis which is a revival / prequel) and it failed, but SG would have been dead had it not come along regardless.

I think he likes SG:U better than Dis. The former didn't screw with canon as much and it holds up a bit better on repeat reviewing, plus it started to find it's feet later on. Dis still has a chance to do the same, but it has a different set of problems despite both having similar tones.

You do know that Stargate: Atlantis did not rap there show up and the cast and other people were complaining about the show being canceled mostly from the that ran Sci-Fi Channel. And the biggest complaint about Stargate: Atlantis was that the rating was still high and the Producer killed the show and then shortly StarGate Universe was canned by Sci-Fi themselves for low ratings.

So yeah, the Producer of SGA and SGU Canned SGA with the people behind Sci-Fi Channel complaining, with the ratings still high and then the same people running Sci-Fi Channel put the ax on SGU for low rating shortly after SGA was canned. Hell, there was supposed to be a straight to DVD film saying what happened to SGA, but that was also canned by the Producer for no reason.

[planescaped]

The show truly does come off like bad fan fiction... probably because it's highly plagiarized and written by hacks. >__>

Just put it out of its misery. No Trek would truly be better. The show is so unpleasant to watch I actually struggle even watching SF Debris review it... and that's never happened before.

Devoid of joy is putting it nicely. XD

[Karha of Honor]

The show truly does come off like bad fan fiction... probably because it's highly plagiarized and written by hacks. >__>

Just put it out of its misery. No Trek would truly be better. The show is so unpleasant to watch I actually struggle even watching SF Debris review it... and that's never happened before.

Devoid of joy is putting it nicely. XD

Saru is awesome.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

I'm still not sure about this show being set just nine years before TOS. shouldn't Kirk's first encounter with the vampire cloud be happening around the same time, why wasn't the Farragut involved in the Klingon War?

[Madner Kami]

I'm still not sure about this show being set just nine years before TOS. shouldn't Kirk's first encounter with the vampire cloud be happening around the same time, why wasn't the Farragut involved in the Klingon War?

Because... LOOK BEHIND YOU! A THREE-HEADED MONKEY!

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The show truly does come off like bad fan fiction... probably because it's highly plagiarized and written by hacks. >__>

Just put it out of its misery. No Trek would truly be better. The show is so unpleasant to watch I actually struggle even watching SF Debris review it... and that's never happened before.

Devoid of joy is putting it nicely. XD

Saru is awesome.

I found his species interesting. I kind of waffle on the idea that he's attuned somehow with imminent danger. I guess partly because the one time they used it in the writing he was completely wrong.

[FlynnTaggart]

Saru is awesome.

I'll admit I like Saru myself, he's an appropriately alien looking alien and a pretty cool character despite being a cow. Though I kinda wonder if its from the writing or just Doug Jones being awesome.

That really why the show should have been more of an ensemble show. There are, or atleast could have been, interesting other characters that might have benefited the show to give them equal screen time to Micheal even if she is still the viewpoint character. Saru the cow who just doesn't trust Micheal, Tilly the human Pinkie Pie who despite everything is an eternal optimist, the more military minded Captain Lorca who if they are playing without the semi-stupid Mirror Universe reveal could be the guy who is finally validated after years of serving in the granola and give peace a chance Starfleet that serves as a bit of foreshadowing to the Kirk of years later who considers himself a soldier, and Ash the PTSD ridden former prisoner of war who can show the human aspects of war something like Reese and Nog of the Dominion War (plus the other stuff about him).

Instead its the Micheal show which really doesn't work for a Trek show. I know that is Fuller's thing, atleast for his only show I've watched Dead Like Me, and that worked for that show really well. Just was not the right tone for this show. Possibly if it was a more interesting central character like snarky but likable George but was never all that interested in Micheal story, nothing about her character made me want to learn about her backstory or see her struggles. She was just bland and boring, atleast I thought.

Hopefully the show improves in the future. I don't wish for it die or anything anymore then I did with SGU or Craprica, I wanted to like it, just nothing much to like so far.

And hopefully this is the end of the Mirror Universe forever.

[s955120]

There's two way this show can go.

One: like StarGate Universe with turned out to be a franchise killer.

or

Two: Like the Second season OF Star Trek: The Next Generation witch almost killed the Star Trek franchise. Even William Shatner did a documentary on how the Second season TNG almost killed the franchise called Chaos on the Bridge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvNdCjc-3Ps

This is why I'm still willing to see how it eventually plays out.

TOS seems to be the only show that had a great beginning seasons. Season 1 and 2 of TNG was unwatchable, VOY and ENT were also quite bad during their first few seasons (both reform with season 4). Even DS9, which had a solid beginning seasons, only reach their full potential after season 4 begin.

For some reason, all the sequel shows takes 3~4 seasons to finally get on track (and for ENT it's too late).

So years later when we look back at DIS, we may call it "worse live action show ever come to the franchise" or "a good show that have a crappy beginning seasons." Right now, we have no way to know.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Idunno I think their approach, with Michael being the prime vessel that we see the world through, could have worked. I really like TNG and Voyager with their ensemble development, but as long as what we see through MIchael's eyes is interesting, then I think it works. Plus I think her being the prime vessel is a win for diversity, and I'm not the most staunch advocator on that front.

With the 13 episode narrative approach, I feel that every episode has to have a good and interesting basis of plot or objective that the episode is trying to tackle. They didn't quite do that with this show imo. It gives less of a payoff by the time each one ends.

[Makeshift Python]

Idunno I think their approach, with Michael being the prime vessel that we see the world through, could have worked. I really like TNG and Voyager with their ensemble development, but as long as what we see through MIchael's eyes is interesting, then I think it works. Plus I think her being the prime vessel is a win for diversity, and I'm not the most staunch advocator on that front.

With the 13 episode narrative approach, I feel that every episode has to have a good and interesting basis of plot or objective that the episode is trying to tackle. They didn't quite do that with this show imo. It gives less of a payoff by the time each one ends.

Good points. Of the old shows, TOS was the only one that wasn't an ensemble. With Kirk, Spock, and McCoy being the main cast (they are the only names in the main title, and McCoy is only added in season 2), with everyone else serving as supporting parts but never having their own stories with very rare occasions. I think even "The Tholian Web" and "The Galileo Seven" are the only ones where Kirk is not the protagonist of the story. Then TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT were all ensembles where the leading actor can step aside in favor of focusing on the character of the week.

Breaking out of that format from the Berman years is probably too unusual for many fans. I've read so many complaints on why we never get episodes about certain bridge crew members like Detmer and Airiam, because unlike past shows where minor characters were typically played by generic humans, DISCOVERY spends money on make up to show a very diverse set of background characters. Surely in the Berman era, such make up work would not have been used on extras like Ensign Gates (I think DS9 was the only one to consistently show background aliens in every single episode). One of the things I like in DISCOVERY is that CBS is not slouching on the budget. They really try to make their show look cinematic for television. Maybe in the following seasons those minor characters will get more to do, especially since Burnham's redemption arc is pretty much done with and the writers are free to go a different direction from what Bryan Fuller originally laid out.

It's certainly a far cry from TOS where Spock seemed to be the only non-human on the Enterprise for its entire run in spite of Starfleet being a Federation ship. Really wasn't until the first film that we started seeing alien background extras, and then budget cuts would stop that for a few films until the 90s.