Everyone, including Chuck himself, misses the true horror of this episode, even though Chuck gets really close to unreveling the actual horror. Pay attention to how often those "mindless" Vulcans actually display feats of strategic thinking and being able to operate more complex machinery. They might have lost control and aren't exactly brilliant scientists anymore (some more severely hampered than others), but they are still there.
The true horror is, T'Pol may be loosing her mind, but she's the only one seeing the truth. They are going to kill the Vulcans and Phlox is lying. He wants them dead. Either that or yet again more of the ultimate hubris: If I can't heal them right now, then nobody can do that, ever, so let's kill them all. And Archer goes along with this transparent attempt of Phlox trying to cover up his mass-murdering tendencies.
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He could have meant that the effects of the Trellium-D on Vulcan brains were similar to severe levels of damage that he had seen before and knew to be untreatable to modern medicine, and / or he might have meant that the effects of it only got worse over time and they would all eventually die of it.
The fact that their capacity for thought is still somewhat there does not mean that they are not too far gone; it basically induces a severe paranoid personality disorder that only gets worse and worse, and certainly in our present world at least there are cases where people have disorders so severe that they will not be curable, and many of those are more capable of thought than these Vulcans are.
You might as well say that every single time any doctor everywhere says that somebody can't be saved from the disease or toxin or whatever they are suffering from because they are too far gone, they are being arrogant or just lying. That isn't hubris- many times it is absolutely correct.
The fact that their capacity for thought is still somewhat there does not mean that they are not too far gone; it basically induces a severe paranoid personality disorder that only gets worse and worse, and certainly in our present world at least there are cases where people have disorders so severe that they will not be curable, and many of those are more capable of thought than these Vulcans are.
You might as well say that every single time any doctor everywhere says that somebody can't be saved from the disease or toxin or whatever they are suffering from because they are too far gone, they are being arrogant or just lying. That isn't hubris- many times it is absolutely correct.
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Between your interpretation of Phlox in this episode and his actions in "Dear Doctor," Phlox is starting to look like he could have shown up in "Savage Curtain."Madner Kami wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:24 pm Everyone, including Chuck himself, misses the true horror of this episode, even though Chuck gets really close to unreveling the actual horror. Pay attention to how often those "mindless" Vulcans actually display feats of strategic thinking and being able to operate more complex machinery. They might have lost control and aren't exactly brilliant scientists anymore (some more severely hampered than others), but they are still there.
The true horror is, T'Pol may be loosing her mind, but she's the only one seeing the truth. They are going to kill the Vulcans and Phlox is lying. He wants them dead. Either that or yet again more of the ultimate hubris: If I can't heal them right now, then nobody can do that, ever, so let's kill them all. And Archer goes along with this transparent attempt of Phlox trying to cover up his mass-murdering tendencies.
But if Phlox can't cure them and they are getting worse, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think they'll be much harder to treat or just dead by the time a cure can be developed and get to them.
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Phlox could easily show up as a DC or Marvel villain. Like a mad scientist the heroes have to stop.
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The whole point of ENT is that Vulcans are scum because Archer is awesome. Therefore T'pol CAN be cured with De con Gel and other Vulcans get Prime Directive = Kill them All.
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That's Prime Directive = Let them DIE not Kill them All, seriously, you sound like that Steve Shives guy, or that Charles Sonnenburg fellow.
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Steve Shives is OK, but who is this Charles Sonnenburg guy? He sounds awesome.AlucardNoir wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:43 amThat's Prime Directive = Let them DIE not Kill them All, seriously, you sound like that Steve Shives guy, or that Charles Sonnenburg fellow.
Self sealing stem bolts don't just seal themselves, you know.
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He really should get his own show.
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Hahahahahaha!
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