Re: Carnage of Krell Review
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:07 pm
While that is true there are exceptions to that like Dooku not having yellow eyes and Palpatine hiding his with Sith alchemy.
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Dooku actually does sport yellow eyes in TCW; it's just that they only flash when he uses Sith Lightning.
I think the "Jedi were evil assholes and losers" thing was overdone, especially in the EU. I preferred the Jedi being heroic and competent, but were ultimately shouldered with too much responsibility.Captain Qwert Jr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:30 am One of my favorite storylines, starring the only truly sympathetic group in the clone wars: the clones.
Still I always thought it was a mistake to make Krell a super villain. Would have been better if he was a true Jedi, broken by the war. The Jedi as police was already a compromise from the lightside. The Jedi as generals was an even greater perversion.
That's why I don't like Karen Travis's depiction of the Jedi, because she tend to portray them as incompetent self serving idiots living in a cult as best and malicious child stealing slavers at worst. I don't know why her depiction of the Jedi got so popular.Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:01 pm I think the "Jedi were evil assholes and losers" was often more a projection by certain elements of the fanbase rather than something that was actually there, even in most EU stories.
The Jedi were flawed, made mistakes, and had a few bad eggs, but were ultimately well-intentioned and generally a positive influence; despite that, way too many people seriously argue that they are just as bad as the Sith, usually based on a simplistic understanding of what the Sith are actually about (seeing the Sith as individualists rather than, in actuality, extreme and murderous egoists).
"I know you will come for me, Mace. You should never have sent me to Haruun Kal. And I should never have come. But what's done can never be undone. I know you think I've gone mad. I haven't. What's happened to me is worse. I've gone sane. And nothing is more dangerous than a Jedi who is finally sane."―Depa Billaba, to Mace Windu
Lets not just blame Traviss, Bioware and Avellone are just as much to blame for the 'Proper' Sith aren't really the bad guys nonsense.RedRiverValley wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:58 amThat's why I don't like Karen Travis's depiction of the Jedi, because she tend to portray them as incompetent self serving idiots living in a cult as best and malicious child stealing slavers at worst. I don't know why her depiction of the Jedi got so popular.Jonathan101 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:01 pm I think the "Jedi were evil assholes and losers" was often more a projection by certain elements of the fanbase rather than something that was actually there, even in most EU stories.
The Jedi were flawed, made mistakes, and had a few bad eggs, but were ultimately well-intentioned and generally a positive influence; despite that, way too many people seriously argue that they are just as bad as the Sith, usually based on a simplistic understanding of what the Sith are actually about (seeing the Sith as individualists rather than, in actuality, extreme and murderous egoists).
Not to mention a bunch of Force Traditions that were pretty much "The Jedi are being arrogant, small-minded tools. We're going to leave the Jedi Order and make our own, better Force Tradition that doesn't have people falling to the Dark Side every week or so."Wargriffin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 am Lets not just blame Traviss, Bioware and Avellone are just as much to blame for the 'Proper' Sith aren't really the bad guys nonsense.
Its kinda hilarious how much star wars writers come into the franchise and then hating the rules try to erect their own microcosm so they can do whatever they want.SpacePaladin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:39 amNot to mention a bunch of Force Traditions that were pretty much "The Jedi are being arrogant, small-minded tools. We're going to leave the Jedi Order and make our own, better Force Tradition that doesn't have people falling to the Dark Side every week or so."Wargriffin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 am Lets not just blame Traviss, Bioware and Avellone are just as much to blame for the 'Proper' Sith aren't really the bad guys nonsense.