Star treks vs gods

This forum is for discussing Chuck's videos as they are publicly released. And for bashing Neelix, but that's just repeating what I already said.
User avatar
BridgeConsoleMasher
Overlord
Posts: 11520
Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:18 am

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by BridgeConsoleMasher »

I would love to put Discovery crew in a situation with a deity, but I'd want it to be nuanced like a figurehead for a network of habited solar systems or something. By that scale you can have a lot of political and even interplanetary nationalism stuff going on.
Power laces... alright.
clearspira
Overlord
Posts: 5576
Joined: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:51 pm

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by clearspira »

Only the naive would believe that a DIS God plot would be anything other than ''Michael Defeats God.'' Which amuses me as it seems modern Trek has learned little from Star Trek V.
We used to argue whether Star Trek or Star Wars was better. Now we argue which one is worse.
User avatar
CrypticMirror
Captain
Posts: 926
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:15 am

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by CrypticMirror »

clearspira wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:05 am Only the naive would believe that a DIS God plot would be anything other than ''Michael Defeats God.''
Don't forget the three episodes of moping around first as the build up.
Thebestoftherest
Captain
Posts: 3513
Joined: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:22 pm

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by Thebestoftherest »

BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:56 am I would love to put Discovery crew in a situation with a deity, but I'd want it to be nuanced like a figurehead for a network of habited solar systems or something. By that scale you can have a lot of political and even interplanetary nationalism stuff going on.
Heck, what if we had it be like a Klingon god or a god from another species I mean it should make no different to a star fleet crew.
User avatar
BridgeConsoleMasher
Overlord
Posts: 11520
Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:18 am

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by BridgeConsoleMasher »

Thebestoftherest wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:24 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:56 am I would love to put Discovery crew in a situation with a deity, but I'd want it to be nuanced like a figurehead for a network of habited solar systems or something. By that scale you can have a lot of political and even interplanetary nationalism stuff going on.
Heck, what if we had it be like a Klingon god or a god from another species I mean it should make no different to a star fleet crew.
Then it might be a bit alien and hard to really be subversive to one's own proclivities surrounding the topic. Klingons are inherently adversarial and rather inscrutably foreign, at least during that time.

That would probably make for a good 2+ hour movie though.
Power laces... alright.
Thebestoftherest
Captain
Posts: 3513
Joined: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:22 pm

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by Thebestoftherest »

Just food for thought
User avatar
Nealithi
Captain
Posts: 1353
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:41 pm
Location: New Jersey

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by Nealithi »

Thebestoftherest wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:24 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:56 am I would love to put Discovery crew in a situation with a deity, but I'd want it to be nuanced like a figurehead for a network of habited solar systems or something. By that scale you can have a lot of political and even interplanetary nationalism stuff going on.
Heck, what if we had it be like a Klingon god or a god from another species I mean it should make no different to a star fleet crew.
Mentioning Klingon gods had me rewatch Chuck's review of Devil's Due.
Thebestoftherest
Captain
Posts: 3513
Joined: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:22 pm

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by Thebestoftherest »

I mean maybe some got away.
User avatar
Beastro
Captain
Posts: 1150
Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:14 am

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by Beastro »

King Green wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:23 am There is a butchered saying: Men who speaks of this, that will come fourth.
We humans have an irresistible habit of creating stories and folklore, that its practically legit magic when we choose to believe that story to be true. Stories on gods and heroes are a result of people infusing accurate outcomes that help our species sane, or what could be define as "sane"?
Thinking and belief are opposite twins critical to create/destroy things.
That gets into what you mean by true. As in, if you're using the modern, literal meaning, not the older symbolic one where a work of fiction can express more truth and meaning that many real life occurrences that you face (like brushing your teeth in the morning).

It's for that reason why I love the first Alien movie. It is a modern retelling of the ancient story of the dangers of the unknown, how chaos lurks in it, and what happens in your world when chaos embodies itself and comes looking for you. It's no coincidence that the Xenomorph is a very exotic looking dragon, nor that the preceding life stages of it are two of Mankind's biggest phobias, spiders then snakes.

The symbolism in the movie models itself perfectly on "real" encounters with the unknown and chaos, like marrying someone seeing the small hints of disaster develop from the very beginning of dating until they explode and bring the union to ruin.

Chaos always starts small and loves to eventually burst forth. It doesn't have to be out of someone's chest.
Thebestoftherest wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:24 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:56 am I would love to put Discovery crew in a situation with a deity, but I'd want it to be nuanced like a figurehead for a network of habited solar systems or something. By that scale you can have a lot of political and even interplanetary nationalism stuff going on.
Heck, what if we had it be like a Klingon god or a god from another species I mean it should make no different to a star fleet crew.
That's a literal view of the Klingon gods. One could take the stance that the Klingon mentality is a transcendent one: They killed their gods because they seek the Klingon species to be supreme in the world with nothing above their Empire. Such a mentality fits perfectly with what we see in them, though it ignores the fact that that would make the Klingon species into a god unto its own (Seaxneat was one such for the Saxons).
drewder
Officer
Posts: 229
Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:45 am

Re: Star treks vs gods

Post by drewder »

Thebestoftherest wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:24 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:56 am I would love to put Discovery crew in a situation with a deity, but I'd want it to be nuanced like a figurehead for a network of habited solar systems or something. By that scale you can have a lot of political and even interplanetary nationalism stuff going on.
Heck, what if we had it be like a Klingon god or a god from another species I mean it should make no different to a star fleet crew.
Well if they encounter a klingon god they'd be safe to assume it was an imposter. Everyone knows the klingons killed their gods long ago.
Last edited by drewder on Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Post Reply