VOY - Virtuoso

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

, was given command of the ship multiple times, and helped save the crew and ship several times.

Well I liked how SF Debris put it:

"You're both wrong. One, there's no off hours in space. You're just as likely to run into enemy ships no matter what time it happens to be on your particular ship, so this isn't the graveyard shift at Denny's. Two, you're really not given command of this ship. You're only there so Janeway and Chakotay can have some sleep, in which case if anything does happen then you're immediately going to run in to wake mom and dad up to come fix things".

I'm paraphrasing most probably, but yeah.

[bronnt]

It's character assassination. While not as bad as Phlox condoning genocide, it's pretty damn bad. The idea that the Doctor would happily leave Voyager for fame and adulation from a bunch of assholes is ridiculous and frustrating. While the Doctor's ego has always been a problem, he shelves that ego when it comes to the health and safety of others because he's got his priorities in check. I recall Macrocosm, where his enthusiasm for an away mission and getting to be off the ship instantly deflates because an alien is in trouble and he wants to help. Some asshole behavior like not calling Janeway Captain or letting his ego get the better of him for a longer stay on the planet and wanting to give away autographed recordings? Sure, dickish, but no one's life is being threatened. Leaving his friends, colleagues, and duties to stay on this planet because he became a celebrity? BS and I hate it.

I think it goes a bit far, but I also think there's some interesting things in this episode speaking about his relationship with the crew. Among the crew, his singing is generally just tolerated, rather than really appreciated. While the Doctor does have good relationships with people, his entire persona is build around his function-he's just "The Doctor." And he didn't choose a career in medicine, it's what he was programmed to do.

Here he meets a group of people who admire him for something he actually chose. It's something he did in an attempt to improve himself, following his own desires rather than his nature or necessity. So there's something freeing about being the person he wants to be rather than the person he was created to be. It'd be like someone who spent their life being trained to take over the family business suddenly finding an audience who admires the painting they do in their spare time. Suddenly the world opens up because you chose something instead of having it thrust upon you.

[TrueMetis]

, was given command of the ship multiple times, and helped save the crew and ship several times.

Well I liked how SF Debris put it:

"You're both wrong. One, there's no off hours in space. You're just as likely to run into enemy ships no matter what time it happens to be on your particular ship, so this isn't the graveyard shift at Denny's. Two, you're really not given command of this ship. You're only there so Janeway and Chakotay can have some sleep, in which case if anything does happen then you're immediately going to run in to wake mom and dad up to come fix things".

I'm paraphrasing most probably, but yeah.

Well no, because A) He's put in charge when those of higher rank aren't just a couple minutes away, B) even a couple minute can be life or death in an emergency, so you don't just put whoever you want in charge, they need to show they can do it. Obviously Starfleet recognizes that since they have a Bridge Officer's Test to restrict people from being able to be put in charge.

Moreover in actual Navies spending time as the Officer on Watch is a requirement to get the qualifications that will actually allow you to become a Captain. Unless Starfleet if just fucking stupid every Captain we've seen would have spent time doing what Harry is doing.

[clearspira]

Remember the time Harry Kim tried to create a backup EMH, and failed? Of course that was just Harry doing what Harry does best.

Also, I never saw the episode. In the episode, did Janeway let him go or no? My impression is that she didn't, even if the new hologram didn't render that moot.

Wasn't Harry rather competent with his engineering or w/ever?

Highly, and in multiple fields. It's why he's the ops officer. The point of that scene was supposed to establish how the doc is irreplaceable.

I mean, based on what we see of Harry over the course of the series, does he strike anybody as particularly competent enough to be promoted?

Yeah I mean he only helped invent a warp drive that could go to infinity, an entirely new type of shuttle (twice technically but one of those times got deleted), a slipstream drive, was given command of the ship multiple times, and helped save the crew and ship several times.

You know just your typical not particularly competent valedictorian who graduated with honours and was given a senior command position as his first post nobody.

If you need to be more competent than that to be promoted than there should be nothing and nobody that can threaten the federation.

1)Keyword: HELPED invent. I'm sure I could help invent something alongside Tom ''Ace'' Paris and Seven of Nine too.
2) He was given a command post on a ship that was going on a routine mission in peacetime. The Federation was only just getting out of its ''flying malls in space'' attitude at this point AKA it was just getting out of the time where they put teenagers on the bridge because the captain wanted to ride his mum.
3) And as for graduating with honours, there is a saying you should equate yourself with: ''education does not equal intelligence. It merely allows one to be wrong with authority.''
Unless the Federation uses a very different education model to us, which is unlikely as we saw the ep where Wesley tried to enter the Academy, all that university diploma proves is that he has a good memory and can hold his nerve in tests.

[Mickey_Rat15]

I don't think the Doctor has a commission to resign. Whatever he has become since he was activated, he was orginally just a backup system for the flesh and blood physicians. The EMH was never intended to be a person (unlike Soong's androids). Furthermore, unless they could reinstall the orginal EMH program, he is not replaceable. What is the right thing to do when what was a vital piece of equipment wants to leave your people in the lurch in an energency situation?

[TrueMetis]

1)Keyword: HELPED invent. I'm sure I could help invent something alongside Tom ''Ace'' Paris and Seven of Nine too.
2) He was given a command post on a ship that was going on a routine mission in peacetime. The Federation was only just getting out of its ''flying malls in space'' attitude at this point AKA it was just getting out of the time where they put teenagers on the bridge because the captain wanted to ride his mum.
3) And as for graduating with honours, there is a saying you should equate yourself with: ''education does not equal intelligence. It merely allows one to be wrong with authority.''
Unless the Federation uses a very different education model to us, which is unlikely as we saw the ep where Wesley tried to enter the Academy, all that university diploma proves is that he has a good memory and can hold his nerve in tests.

I'm honestly not sure how to respond to this. This is starting to feel like the weirdest case of insecurity I've ever seen in my life. Okay sure the fictional character isn't actually good at his job. When he was designing shuttles, astrometric labs, and slipstream drives he wasn't actually there because he knew things that could help, instead it was like when you let you're 4 year old nephew help by holding the flashlight.

And don't let him holding a fancy shmancy degree get you down, you've got streetsmarts.

[Sir Will]

As for my review, this is a very meh episode. You can definitely tell that we are into the end times for Trek reviews on this site as we are left with the real forgettable bottom of the barrel stuff now. Stuff that you've probably only watched once and then never have again. Chuck makes talking about it far more fun than actually watching it.
TBH, part of me is kind of looking forward to him running out of episodes just so we can get to the weekly Dr Who or Stargate reviews (the most likely candidates for when he runs out of Trek).

I did a rough count a couple weeks ago. He's done very close to 500 episodes now (somewhere in the 490's with a rough count) out of 755, plus the movies, (but not counting whatever Discovery ends up being.) About 2/3 of everything. Of everything Trek at this point, what's left are mostly middleground forgettable episodes that nobody felt compelled to request for the last 11 years. So that material in particular is just kind of there, through no fault of Chuck's, the remaining reviews are almost all going to be forgettable episodes that you'd only know were missing if you were doing a rewatch.

If he was still doing 4 episodes a month he'd be done in about five years, but at 3 a month it'll last about seven.

But that limited supply and the fact that the only eps left are forgettable table scraps is the reason he switched it to 3 a month in the first place, so... I don't know if he'll be eager to wrap when he get to that point after doing this for 16 years, or if he'll slow it down more and start doing 2 a month interspersed with other stuff more. (ANd of course, every new episode of Discovery or the upcoming Picard series expands it a little more.)

Ok, back the hell off, yeesh. No, what's left are not all forgettable episodes nobody cares about.

[Yukaphile]

Oh, there's also "Soldiers of the Empire" left for good DS9.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

1)Keyword: HELPED invent. I'm sure I could help invent something alongside Tom ''Ace'' Paris and Seven of Nine too.
2) He was given a command post on a ship that was going on a routine mission in peacetime. The Federation was only just getting out of its ''flying malls in space'' attitude at this point AKA it was just getting out of the time where they put teenagers on the bridge because the captain wanted to ride his mum.
3) And as for graduating with honours, there is a saying you should equate yourself with: ''education does not equal intelligence. It merely allows one to be wrong with authority.''
Unless the Federation uses a very different education model to us, which is unlikely as we saw the ep where Wesley tried to enter the Academy, all that university diploma proves is that he has a good memory and can hold his nerve in tests.

And don't let him holding a fancy shmancy degree get you down, you've got streetsmarts.

And in terms of substance and tests, college can really just come off as mild perseverance and adherence to basic curriculum without pay. It's not like that itself takes particularly much ingenuity really, and that includes maybe basic papers, though to less of an extent. Post graduate work though is pretty intuitive. Developing thesi to substantiate 100 page doctrines to impress hardened research professors isn't for nothing.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

, was given command of the ship multiple times, and helped save the crew and ship several times.

Well I liked how SF Debris put it:

"You're both wrong. One, there's no off hours in space. You're just as likely to run into enemy ships no matter what time it happens to be on your particular ship, so this isn't the graveyard shift at Denny's. Two, you're really not given command of this ship. You're only there so Janeway and Chakotay can have some sleep, in which case if anything does happen then you're immediately going to run in to wake mom and dad up to come fix things".

I'm paraphrasing most probably, but yeah.

Well no, because A) He's put in charge when those of higher rank aren't just a couple minutes away, B) even a couple minute can be life or death in an emergency, so you don't just put whoever you want in charge, they need to show they can do it. Obviously Starfleet recognizes that since they have a Bridge Officer's Test to restrict people from being able to be put in charge.

Moreover in actual Navies spending time as the Officer on Watch is a requirement to get the qualifications that will actually allow you to become a Captain. Unless Starfleet if just fucking stupid every Captain we've seen would have spent time doing what Harry is doing.

Well you have to admit that it was pretty funny in the review it came from.