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Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:59 am
by Yukaphile
You're forgetting the tankies. They're just as bad. :lol:

Getting back to topic, do you guys think this would have made a good Season 3 episode? Still, it almost would have been worth it just to have it be part of the Not-Suck Era of TNG. Because it's Season 2, most people overlook it, and just skip straight to Season 3. And so people don't remember it. But imagine if this had been exercised well, in Season 3? Discussions on immigration and abortion? OMG, heads would explode. Though that would be nice to dispel the myth that Trek has suddenly "gone SJW," when it was always meant to be SJW - it's just the writers nowadays are more ham-fisted than ever (Which is an impressive accomplishment) and just generally more incompetent than ever.

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:10 am
by J!!
pilight wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:08 pm The Mariposans appeared to have very basic cloning ability. They couldn't even vary the appearance of the clones. It's doubtful they had the capability of fixing blindness.
I dunno about that. They were able to make a fully formed 30something year old Riker in just a few hours. Right down to the exact beard & haircut no less. Sounds pretty advanced to me.

Now, the reason for this is obviously 'it's a TV show'; a petri dish with Riker's name on it wouldn't have much dramatic kick, after all. But if you really insist on an in-universe explanation, you could say that instead of growing new clones from cells, they instead print them fully formed.

Maybe that's why they can't figure out a way around the Xerox-effect. Perhaps all their doctors & biologists died in the accident, so the whole cloning thing was set up by some engineers who knew a lot about replicators, but nothing about genetics or the engineering thereof.

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:15 am
by J!!
TexasRed wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:34 am Remember Conservative does = nazi and liberal does not = communists)
From context, I assume this is a rather amusingly ironic typo.

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:06 am
by clearspira
Yukaphile wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:59 am You're forgetting the tankies. They're just as bad. :lol:

Getting back to topic, do you guys think this would have made a good Season 3 episode? Still, it almost would have been worth it just to have it be part of the Not-Suck Era of TNG. Because it's Season 2, most people overlook it, and just skip straight to Season 3. And so people don't remember it. But imagine if this had been exercised well, in Season 3? Discussions on immigration and abortion? OMG, heads would explode. Though that would be nice to dispel the myth that Trek has suddenly "gone SJW," when it was always meant to be SJW - it's just the writers nowadays are more ham-fisted than ever (Which is an impressive accomplishment) and just generally more incompetent than ever.
I think the meaning of the word sjw has changed over the years tbh.

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:53 am
by Yukaphile
Now it has the same meaning as those who scream "filthy libtard." It's a convenient buzzard to imply reactionary hate and an anti-intellectual agenda.

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:41 pm
by TachyonDrift
Geordi was born blind
Well, dang, yes. Got that wrong. I was absolutely certain the reason he freaks out in one episode was because of a fire.

Never mind. Might be the peril of building head-canon spaces.

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:02 pm
by TexasRed
J!! wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:15 am
TexasRed wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:34 am Remember Conservative does = nazi and liberal does not = communists)
From the context, I assume this is a rather amusingly ironic typo.
You are correct and it has been fixed.

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:20 pm
by pilight
TachyonDrift wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:41 pm
Geordi was born blind
Well, dang, yes. Got that wrong. I was absolutely certain the reason he freaks out in one episode was because of a fire.

Never mind. Might be the peril of building head-canon spaces.
The fire was before he got the first visor. He wouldn't let his parents out of earshot for a long while afterwards. He told this story in "Hero Worship".

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:39 pm
by TachyonDrift
The fire was before he got the first visor. He wouldn't let his parents out of earshot for a long while afterwards. He told this story in "Hero Worship".
Ah! Right, yes, so, wrong but not simply pulling it out of my rear. Thanks for the correction.

Re: TNG - "Up The Long Ladder"

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:53 pm
by ChiggyvonRichthofen
I take this opportunity to declare that I, also, am against racism.