Re: Evangelion 3.33 Review
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:58 am
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If you hate EVA it's in your right, and I don't have the right to force you change your opinion.
So basically what you are saying that you don't have your own opinion about EVA and you don't even want to form your own opinion so you much rather repeat what some one else has said about it.
That would be Rodin... You were schooled in the US, right?
A member of this forum, Rodan56, who replied in this thread:
Rodan56 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am I'm only repeating what the damn video said, "Don't indulge in Escapism", "Eva's characters being actual characters with development instead of being annoying sad sacks is evidence of something being wrong!", "The happy girl who just wants to keep her spirits up is more evidence of something being horrible", "The movie is giving you what you always wanted and it's horrible! You're horrible for wanting this. See? See! The movie has fooled you all! It's giving you the finger and fooling you!" Yeah, fuck that. Sorry, you can't blame me for how the guy who made the video presented his argument.
Well, that's what the guy who made the video said, "Escapism bad, reality good." more or less his exact words. If you have a problem with that interpretation take it up with the creator of the video. His entire video sounded like a BS excuse to slip into nihilist cynicism and any other viewpoint meant you were selfish, stupid and shallow. That was what he argued was the message of Eva, not me.Gruntagen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:51 am
Dude, wrong interpretation. It’s not about saying “escapism is wrong, resign yourself to an Apollonian existence”, it’s about saying “don’t close yourself off to the rest of the world by reliving fantasies or happy memories in your mind, there’s so much more that you can do.”
That to live is to suffer, but that shouldn’t mean you should suffer alone.
Oh, and as for claiming "I just want a happy ending", buddy, one of my favorite animes is Black Lagoon, which is pretty much one giant "Every character in this is doomed" story. The difference is I want the the characters to get better, despite knowing they won't. I don't care enough about Eva to want anyone to be happy, because they're all horrible people. Shinji is a self-absorbed whiny shit who won't get over himself in favor of saving the lives of others. Meanwhile, everyone forces him to do this shit when he is very clearly not suited for it. Asuka is an asshole. Rei is a blank slate. Misato barely cares. The plot itself is nonsensical and constantly running over itself. I don't care about EVA having a happy ending because I've never cared about Eva to begin with. Now, I finally see a version of it I could like in these movies and apparently the movies are giving me the finger for wanting the series be more like this.
I'll grant EVA as a landmark series which did a lot for the genre. I don't have to like it though because everything I see about makes me less and less interested in really bothering. Now, one guy's interpreation claims that it's a giant anti-escapism screed and that has only turned me more off. At best, before, I saw EVA as a depressing series that was too far up its own ass for me to care about with characters that only served to piss me off because they all sucked. And the more and more I heard about it, the more I knew I'd hate it.
Again, don't blame me for this interpretation. The video I watched literally said "Escapism is wrong, don't do it." I turned it off at that point because I was now sickened by the fact these movies are essentially a longer version of that scene from One More Day where the older fat version of Peter Parker rants about how sad and pathetic people who enjoy escapist fiction are. And this guy was praising them for it. Screw that shit.
At least I still like Shin-Godzilla, that one actually has a decent message.
It's funny because even if he understood the lore, it wouldn't matter. It's not very good anyway.MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:10 pm Chuck complains a lot about being confused by the Lore, but the problem is the Lore was never as important as the hardcore fans wanted it to be.
Thank you Captain Pendantry.Madner Kami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:32 pmThat would be Rodin... You were schooled in the US, right?