SG1: There But For The Grace of God

[clearspira]

As an aside, could you imagine being a child on this ship? What is there to do?

Are you kidding? Replicators that can get you any book you want to read, or any toy you want to play with? Computer games you'll never run out of playing, either on screens or in the holodeck? Plenty of kids your own age, presumably, given the families on board... Parks to play in, scientists to apprentice with... sounds like a dream come true for Kid Me.

There are sixteen holodecks according to Memory Alpha. That's sixteen for one thousand people. You'll get an hour a week in there tops. And I do not recall any screen-based computer games beyond educational shit in the playroom.
As for parks, are there any? I remember exactly one: the arboretum. Which is the size of a sports hall and is a collection of plants. That would get boring for a kid fast. Here it is in all of its glory:



You can't play games in there. Certainly not without getting told off by everyone else.

[chaos42]

ok first back then -because i was alive during the 80s and watched tng i have to tell you video game tech was PRIMITIVE, we are talking game boy 1 dot matrix screens. plus remember this is a tv show we never got to see a set for the main shuttle bay because it was going to be too expensive -best we got was a shot from the out side when data decompressed it to save the ship. there is a budget they have to consider. and this is the 80s. plus im sure holodeck time is alotted out and people book it like anyone else. plus it was new tech in tng season 1 so its possible not everyone had adopted it. one thing i remember is the old ds9 novels one had holosuits set up on other decks that quark also owned and operated. not cannon but its likely that would have happened given the demands of any station or ship that there are a fair number of place to take it easy

[McAvoy]

ok first back then -because i was alive during the 80s and watched tng i have to tell you video game tech was PRIMITIVE, we are talking game boy 1 dot matrix screens. plus remember this is a tv show we never got to see a set for the main shuttle bay because it was going to be too expensive -best we got was a shot from the out side when data decompressed it to save the ship. there is a budget they have to consider. and this is the 80s. plus im sure holodeck time is alotted out and people book it like anyone else. plus it was new tech in tng season 1 so its possible not everyone had adopted it. one thing i remember is the old ds9 novels one had holosuits set up on other decks that quark also owned and operated. not cannon but its likely that would have happened given the demands of any station or ship that there are a fair number of place to take it easy

Exactly. We can't directly compare onscreen things that are directly related to budget or space constraints on the show then say that is all there is because we didn't see it.

Honestly even bumping up the crew size to 2,014 would be small. We have to remember not all the crew and civilians would be awake or walking about 24/7. We do know there are shifts and of you are not on shift, you could easily be sleeping.

So the the Enterprise would easily be even worse in terms of populating the ship. Especially if you would consider there would concentrations of personnel like in Main Engineering, the shuttlebays or the Bridge.

[Deledrius]

You can't play games in there. Certainly not without getting told off by everyone else.

Looks like a fine place for a game of chess to me, and I doubt anyone on board would be upset by that. Nothing as rowdy as Strategema, at least. If you mean sports, we saw places for that, either in the Holodeck or in the gym, or in dedicated arenas like the one we saw equipped for Anbo-jyutsu.

[chaos42]

or that parises squares game we never see played but involves full contact gear. i have to imagine that the ship has a lot of facilities to keep people form going sire crazy because that would happen on a long voyage. maybe thats why red shirts actually don't mind going down to planets in the og series its worth it to get some fresh air after being stuck on board for months and the threat of death is something they are not thinking about because its a finally getting out of this sealed space ship. Plus there is also the question of what some of the areas actually do i have to imagine that a lot of areas of the ship are there for things like storage -there are enough cargobays and also for events, remember all those diplomatic events they host.

[Swiftbow]

The series has a weird relationship with atomic weapons.

They are often portrayed as just another tool in the heroes tool kit, and when you are talking about a conflict for the fate of the galaxy where planets can be annihilated... yeah the horror of nukes does seem rather rolled back in the mind of the audience and would definitely register as less horrifying in the minds of the US military and the heroes.

On the other hand, whenever they are used as offense weaponry they are shown to be a combination of useless and/or actively harmful to the situation (the best example is their use against the Ori in the later seasons when they use the "Gate Buster" 8-gigaton bomb and all it does is help the bad guy hurry along their plans).

They do come in handy when it comes time to deal with science issues tied to the gate, most notably the blackhole... well, now that I say that I can't think of another scenario.

They don't use a nuke on the black hole. That was the dumb plan that Carter managed to stop. They used a conventional shaped explosive.

They DO use nukes quite a bit against enemy ships. They are most effective when beamed directly aboard (primarily in Atlantis), and also, of course, in the movie.

[Swiftbow]

They rarely ever use nukes in a situation where they might hit civilians. Most of the time it's entirely against space ships filled almost entirely with combatants.

Certainly, but at the same time, you can't break the will/spirit of lovecraftian horrors like the space parasites who think they are gods... So using them against a civilian target would be meaningless.

Did they ever show a mirror universe akin to the Terran Empire? Where the humans were so comically evil that they would have used nukes in an attempt to break the will/spirit of the Goa'uld via mass nuking of their slaves and servants? Like idiots.

Well, the Quantum Mirror only showed realities that were "close" to theirs. That is, that had split off recently. Other than the mirror, they managed to accidentally cause the Gate to link to multiple universes in, I think, season 9. (Maybe 10.) A bunch of different SG teams came through to the SGC. One of them was KINDA evil... but not all the way. (I can't remember exactly, it's been awhile.) Mostly they used that episode to bring back several beloved characters who had died for one last hurrah before going back to their home universes.

As I recall... that second one was mostly "close" universes as well. But since more time had passed, they were all from universes that had survived Apophis and lived to fight the Ori. (The universes that had lost to Apophis, or Anubis, or to any other catastrophe had long since diverged too much to be easily found.)

You can't play games in there. Certainly not without getting told off by everyone else.

Looks like a fine place for a game of chess to me, and I doubt anyone on board would be upset by that. Nothing as rowdy as Strategema, at least. If you mean sports, we saw places for that, either in the Holodeck or in the gym, or in dedicated arenas like the one we saw equipped for Anbo-jyutsu.

I know they do it constantly, but you can't play most sports in a holodeck. You certainly can't play baseball in a holosuite (as in DS9). Why? Because of the interior space... the players in baseball are pretty widespread, and a holosuite is, what? 10' x 10'? (MAYBE 20' by 20') That's not even the distance to the pitcher's mound from home plate. And you're swinging bats around?

I will grant that a single person could possibly play sports in there. But not a team. The writers constantly treat the Holodeck like it's the Tardis, even letting people walk great distances apart and be out of communication range! Hello... all they have to do is talk loudly. Anyway... /rant

[Deledrius]

Clearly, the Holosuite has some ability to perform brain hacking.

[Fianna]

I assume that when people run around in the holodeck/suite, often there's a treadmill effect going on under their feet, so they're not actually moving anywhere, even though they feel like they are, and the environment around them shifts as though they were. And who's to say the holograms can't make other people in the holodeck look and sound like they're much farther away than they really are?

[clearspira]

I assume that when people run around in the holodeck/suite, often there's a treadmill effect going on under their feet, so they're not actually moving anywhere, even though they feel like they are, and the environment around them shifts as though they were. And who's to say the holograms can't make other people in the holodeck look and sound like they're much farther away than they really are?

I think that's how its meant to work, but then you have episodes like where Moriarty kidnapped Pulaski or the Doctor searching for Kim during Beowulf. The implication in both of these episodes is that the holodeck has TARDIS like abilities otherwise Pulaski or Kim would theoretically always be standing next to you the moment you walk through the arch.
Maybe if the holodeck was the size of a football stadium it would work the way it was intended but we see have seen the internal dimensions of the holodeck many times and it isn't much bigger than a school sports hall.