TOS: A Taste of Armageddon

[Madner Kami]

[...] in spite of the Vietnam War going on at the time, and the subsequent Korean Conflict [...]

*queue joke about the american education-system*

[Frustration]

There are an endless number of motivations and causes but the purpose is inevitably to get what you want (whatever that happens to be)

That's true of all human actions. We're not here to discuss the nature of desire and instrumentality.

[Frustration]

Except "Better dead than Red" is not about a loss of face, it was not accepting a totalitarian ideology and the loss of liberty that entails.

I've got news for you: in modern 'democratic' societies, the populace only has as much liberty as the government wants them to have, and no more.

[clearspira]

Except "Better dead than Red" is not about a loss of face, it was not accepting a totalitarian ideology and the loss of liberty that entails.

I've got news for you: in modern 'democratic' societies, the populace only has as much liberty as the government wants them to have, and no more.

Covid has proven that. Regardless of what the ''truth'' behind it is, whether it came from a lab or is a purely natural event, China must be laughing their ass off at how quickly the liberal democracies of the West have resorted to totalitarian policies. Russia too for that matter. At least they're honest about it.

[Riedquat]

There are an endless number of motivations and causes but the purpose is inevitably to get what you want (whatever that happens to be)

That's true of all human actions. We're not here to discuss the nature of desire and instrumentality.

We very much are, since they're the driving force of war. The discussion is really about why wage it rather than military technology, tactics, or strategy. Wars are fought as a means to an end to satisfy those motivations.

[McAvoy]

Except "Better dead than Red" is not about a loss of face, it was not accepting a totalitarian ideology and the loss of liberty that entails.

I've got news for you: in modern 'democratic' societies, the populace only has as much liberty as the government wants them to have, and no more.

Covid has proven that. Regardless of what the ''truth'' behind it is, whether it came from a lab or is a purely natural event, China must be laughing their ass off at how quickly the liberal democracies of the West have resorted to totalitarian policies. Russia too for that matter. At least they're honest about it.

Oh please. Give me a break.

[clearspira]

Except "Better dead than Red" is not about a loss of face, it was not accepting a totalitarian ideology and the loss of liberty that entails.

I've got news for you: in modern 'democratic' societies, the populace only has as much liberty as the government wants them to have, and no more.

Covid has proven that. Regardless of what the ''truth'' behind it is, whether it came from a lab or is a purely natural event, China must be laughing their ass off at how quickly the liberal democracies of the West have resorted to totalitarian policies. Russia too for that matter. At least they're honest about it.

Oh please. Give me a break.

OK, i'll let you give me your side as to why I am wrong by asking you two questions: Austria mandating that ALL of its citizens MUST have the vaccine. Is that liberal or not liberal?

Next question: Could you have imagined a Western democracy two years ago doing this?

[Fianna]

We already had mandates that children must receive certain vaccines before they can attend school.

[McAvoy]

Except "Better dead than Red" is not about a loss of face, it was not accepting a totalitarian ideology and the loss of liberty that entails.

I've got news for you: in modern 'democratic' societies, the populace only has as much liberty as the government wants them to have, and no more.

Covid has proven that. Regardless of what the ''truth'' behind it is, whether it came from a lab or is a purely natural event, China must be laughing their ass off at how quickly the liberal democracies of the West have resorted to totalitarian policies. Russia too for that matter. At least they're honest about it.

Oh please. Give me a break.

OK, i'll let you give me your side as to why I am wrong by asking you two questions: Austria mandating that ALL of its citizens MUST have the vaccine. Is that liberal or not liberal?

Next question: Could you have imagined a Western democracy two years ago doing this?

First off that Austria. One country doesn't represent the world.

Second, children have been mandated to get vacinnes for school for years. Before Covid even Trump was looking to increased vaccinations.

So let me ask you this, what is the difference from three years ago when we were forcing children to get vaccinations on many different diseases?

[Frustration]

We already had mandates that children must receive certain vaccines before they can attend school.

And children don't have to attend schools. They can be homeschooled instead.

You don't need to pass a driving exam, purchase driving insurance, and get a license to drive, at least in America. Those things are required only for public roads. There aren't enough private roads to go anywhere, but no one but their owners are restricting driving on them.