BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 pmI was also thinking about how Vulcan fits in really nicely as the pacifist hat of the federation. You think Starfleet would have ever come up with the prime directive without Vulcan? I don't.
What's the deal with the early Romulan bloodline reveal?
Well, the Federation doesn't understand that the Romulans and Vulcans are one people divided by culture not biology until Captain Kirk saw it in "Balance of Terror." It's why Romulans never showed up on-screen in Enterprise because it's a major reveal that one of the traditional enemies of the Federation is a break-off of a founding culture. Nero, however, is planning to wipe out Vulcan so he doesn't care about revealing the truth of the Romulan race to the Federation and utterly screwing with time/space relations.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 pmI was also thinking about how Vulcan fits in really nicely as the pacifist hat of the federation. You think Starfleet would have ever come up with the prime directive without Vulcan? I don't.
What's the deal with the early Romulan bloodline reveal?
Well, the Federation doesn't understand that the Romulans and Vulcans are one people divided by culture not biology until Captain Kirk saw it in "Balance of Terror." It's why Romulans never showed up on-screen in Enterprise because it's a major reveal that one of the traditional enemies of the Federation is a break-off of a founding culture. Nero, however, is planning to wipe out Vulcan so he doesn't care about revealing the truth of the Romulan race to the Federation and utterly screwing with time/space relations.
So the Federation learns it at the Kelvin.
It probably caused the Vulcans some surprise too.
Yeah but did they know Nero was Romulan or something?
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 pmI was also thinking about how Vulcan fits in really nicely as the pacifist hat of the federation. You think Starfleet would have ever come up with the prime directive without Vulcan? I don't.
What's the deal with the early Romulan bloodline reveal?
Well, the Federation doesn't understand that the Romulans and Vulcans are one people divided by culture not biology until Captain Kirk saw it in "Balance of Terror." It's why Romulans never showed up on-screen in Enterprise because it's a major reveal that one of the traditional enemies of the Federation is a break-off of a founding culture. Nero, however, is planning to wipe out Vulcan so he doesn't care about revealing the truth of the Romulan race to the Federation and utterly screwing with time/space relations.
So the Federation learns it at the Kelvin.
It probably caused the Vulcans some surprise too.
Yeah but did they know Nero was Romulan or something?
Well, he identified himself as Romulan and was coming from Romulan space. It seems like a helluva lucky guess.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 pmI was also thinking about how Vulcan fits in really nicely as the pacifist hat of the federation. You think Starfleet would have ever come up with the prime directive without Vulcan? I don't.
What's the deal with the early Romulan bloodline reveal?
Well, the Federation doesn't understand that the Romulans and Vulcans are one people divided by culture not biology until Captain Kirk saw it in "Balance of Terror." It's why Romulans never showed up on-screen in Enterprise because it's a major reveal that one of the traditional enemies of the Federation is a break-off of a founding culture. Nero, however, is planning to wipe out Vulcan so he doesn't care about revealing the truth of the Romulan race to the Federation and utterly screwing with time/space relations.
So the Federation learns it at the Kelvin.
It probably caused the Vulcans some surprise too.
Yeah but did they know Nero was Romulan or something?
Well, he identified himself as Romulan and was coming from Romulan space. It seems like a helluva lucky guess.
So what you're saying is he violated the terms surrounding the neutral zone?
CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:31 pm
By Into Darkness, his planet got blown up.
And yet he was already much different than he was in TOS even by that point. He went from "inside, your human side was crying" to wailing on those Vulcan kids that were bullying him, which made his later examples of doing the same thing entirely consistent with that. And that was long before his planet got destroyed. They took an aspect of what made his character popular and just plain ignored it. Which is a shame, because the actor really would have done well as Spock if given the chance, IMO.
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Admiral X wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:49 am
And yet he was already much different than he was in TOS even by that point. He went from "inside, your human side was crying" to wailing on those Vulcan kids that were bullying him, which made his later examples of doing the same thing entirely consistent with that. And that was long before his planet got destroyed. They took an aspect of what made his character popular and just plain ignored it. Which is a shame, because the actor really would have done well as Spock if given the chance, IMO.
The Spock from the Pike era was much more overtly emotional. At the very least this Spock is decades younger. We also know that he DID refuse to go to the Vulcan Science Academy and frankly, I think it was probably for the exact reasons Quinto Spock gave.
Admiral X wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:49 am
And yet he was already much different than he was in TOS even by that point. He went from "inside, your human side was crying" to wailing on those Vulcan kids that were bullying him, which made his later examples of doing the same thing entirely consistent with that. And that was long before his planet got destroyed. They took an aspect of what made his character popular and just plain ignored it. Which is a shame, because the actor really would have done well as Spock if given the chance, IMO.
The Spock from the Pike era was much more overtly emotional. At the very least this Spock is decades younger. We also know that he DID refuse to go to the Vulcan Science Academy and frankly, I think it was probably for the exact reasons Quinto Spock gave.
I thought in TOS he said it was because Vulcan would never see him as a Vulcan, whereon Earth that's exactly what they'd do.
Admiral X wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:49 am
And yet he was already much different than he was in TOS even by that point. He went from "inside, your human side was crying" to wailing on those Vulcan kids that were bullying him, which made his later examples of doing the same thing entirely consistent with that. And that was long before his planet got destroyed. They took an aspect of what made his character popular and just plain ignored it. Which is a shame, because the actor really would have done well as Spock if given the chance, IMO.
The Spock from the Pike era was much more overtly emotional. At the very least this Spock is decades younger. We also know that he DID refuse to go to the Vulcan Science Academy and frankly, I think it was probably for the exact reasons Quinto Spock gave.
I thought in TOS he said it was because Vulcan would never see him as a Vulcan, whereon Earth that's exactly what they'd do.
I don't recall that. Mind you, in Amock Time it's said not only is Spock a Vulcan but he's considered the greatest Vulcan of his generation. So much so his fiance is terrified of marrying him.
CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:24 am
I don't recall that. Mind you, in Amock Time it's said not only is Spock a Vulcan but he's considered the greatest Vulcan of his generation. So much so his fiance is terrified of marrying him.
Sure, but that was AFTER Spock had been in Starfleet for two decades and had many many exploits to his name that had been a majorly positive representation of their entire race. Not when he was just a half human teenager considering going to school.
