TNG - Marina Sirtis talks about the costume design

[Admiral X]

No.


youtu.be/vAvQbEeTafk

[Fixer]

Mass Effect 2 has a male Alien specifically designed to titillate those of the feminine persuasion. Right down to his bad boy persona, tragic backstory and harsh exterior hiding a sensitive soul. Face is a bit like the fish from The Shape of Water.

Oh, and his perfectly sculpted torso is not covered because of "medical reasons". He even dies at the end to give that bitter sweet end to the romance.

Pretty much the archetypal pulp romance character. In a universe where soldiers were practical uniforms and battle armor, you can rest assured that fan service and exposed chests are still included for both sexes.

[drewder]

Honestly Picard messed up choosing Troi. He would have been much better off choosing a full blooded Betazoid who could actually read his opponents mind and tell him whats happening. Honestly Troi's mother would have been a better choice, they're always saying that she's particularly powerful when it comes to mind reading.

[Robovski]

Maybe Picard disliked the idea of someone who could just read his mind anytime they wanted to. The idea of it is rude and they don't do that without consent is undermined in the series and also by my unwillingness to trust people to be on their best behavior.

[Wargriffin]

Picard was afraid his destroy all children plan would be discovered!

[Asvarduil]

... Both the Jedi and the Sith use training as indoctrination, teaching kids about their ideals more than actual instruction on how to use the force.

About 'how' to use the Force and training being indoctrination - I think that you're 100% right. Part of the reason that there's no basic Force curriculum in Jedi/Sith Academies, is because of the nature of a person's relationship with the Force itself - as Obi-Wan himself said, "The Force guides our actions, but it also obeys our commands." ...

Marina Sirtis ought to know all about indoctrination...

I've never played this game so I ask: are all the women this stereotypical? i'll never get over how in games men get practical armour and smart uniforms, and women get the most objectifying and impractical clothes imaginable.

And - interestingly - the impractical and/or objectifying clothes give stat boosts on par with good male armor.

I mean, I'm sure women have worn plate bikinis into battle throughout history. Sounds totes legit, practical, and useful. Yep.

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I'm not good at this sarcasm thing, am I?

[Admiral X]

Could be the character just likes to show off her tits, too.

[turbo_sailor67]

They really should have let Sirtis write some of Troi's dialog, IMHO

I still remember Drunk!Troi from First Contact. If only we could've had more of that, she was clearly enjoying herself.

What's funny about THAT is now people are tripping over themselves NOW, saying that her scene is uncomfortable for them because they're not sure if it's sexist or not or they thought it was funny before but now they see it as threatening and rape-y and they have to condemn the scene thereby implying that Troi was totally incapable of taking care of herself. It's just so ironic.

[bronnt]

Marina Sirtis ought to know all about indoctrination...

I've never played this game so I ask: are all the women this stereotypical? i'll never get over how in games men get practical armour and smart uniforms, and women get the most objectifying and impractical clothes imaginable.

All the women? No. In this case, this woman is not a soldier and that's not armor she's wearing. She's an honored elder; you might think of her as like a high priestess in the blue-skinned alien hierarchy. But she gets turned to villainy. The interesting thing about her is that she's voiced by Marina Sirtis.

If you play as female Shepard, her armor will always be fairly practical. Like this or this.

But was also a series that introduced Miranda Lawson, who refuses to wear armor, and the camera always frames her so you get a nice look at her ass. Of course, as pointed out, Mass Effect 2 also introduced Thane Krios, who might as well come with a checklist for all the romance-novel cliches he checks off. Ladies, prepare to mend his wounded heart. He's a emotionless assassin who will recite poetry to you, cry about the love he lost, and will bravely tell you of his terminal disease, even while asking for your help reoconciling him with his wayward son. None of that is even a slight exaggeration.

[Nealithi]

Heh. I so want Chuck's comments on her diatribe on the 'costume'. But how Troi was used. They seemed to see a great idea then got horrified because she could punch holes in entire plots and make the show about ten minutes long.
They didn't want to hurt themselves down the line by giving her hard limits. So she could read emotions from thousands of miles apart in orbit. So they had to keep breaking her like the transporter, the holodeck, the shuttles, the warpdrive, or really anything that could solve a problem. If she had been a Guinan like character, I think she would have been loved. Most of the time she is helping the crew of screen. Maybe sees the others in Ten Forward and drops an insight to Geordi or her pet project is helping Data with emotions. Picard seeks her out for insight. Imagine Measure of a Man if Picard went to Troi's office instead of the shockingly empty bar.