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unknownsample wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:04 pm Does anyone on here like Discovery?

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:50 pm There are Nazis who like Star Wars.

Which is almost as weird as being a Nazi who likes Wolfenstein.

It's a franchise about killing Space Nazis.

So I'm not surprised.

unknownsample wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:04 pm Does anyone on here like Discovery?

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:15 pm Yes, we can say fucking now. Tilly can.

Worffan101 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:37 pm

unknownsample wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:04 pm Does anyone on here like Discovery?

I don't, but it had a lot of potential, the problem is it wastes it.

I actually LOATHE Frain's performance as Sarek, he has a weirdly off-putting robotic take on the character that just...really made me hate him the moment he opened his mouth. Also, he was associated with that horrible idea of Burnham being a racist and being proven right about it--it's POSSIBLE to have a hero who's racist, but you have to prove them wrong at every opportunity and have them learn and grow as they go along, not prove them right as the Klingons are written like '40s propaganda caricatures of the Japanese.

On the flip side, having the Captain be Mirror actually has a lot of potential. The problem is they went for the LAZIEST way to develop that reveal, AND tried to make us sympathize with Mirror!Georgiou while also making her a cartoonishly evil cannibal. Stuff like that is why I goddamn hate this show.

And as for STD not being diverse enough--again, it's 2018, where's the trans character? This show should be pushing the envelope, not fridging gay characters and focusing on a boring as Hell het romance. At LEAST one trans character is basically mandatory, even the CW is putting a trans character (played by a trans actress, no less) on one of their shows and the CW is the epitome of safe and mainstream. And did I mention The Fridgening? They fridged one of the gay guys. There's a really great article I've read that talks about why that's a problem: https://geekdad.com/2018/01/star-trek-d ... -10-recap/

It's like...they did a bunch of stereotypes, then said "We're very progressive because we allowed teh gayz on our show, now love us, damn it! If you don't love us, you're a Nazi like the creepy evil bisexual Empress!" (which, also, that's something that really should've been kept out, they can make the Mirror Empress evil without making her a creepy pseudo-incestuous creep)

But yeah. War plot? DS9 did that and it was great. Klingon villains? Oh, hi, some of the most popular TOS episodes! Main character hates a particular species for personal reasons? I remember when O'Brien was a suspect because of his beef with the Cardies. Mirror Universe? Enterprise of all shows did great with that, by having the Captain just play Regular Archer and putting him in a mirror uniform. None of this is particularly new, it's just that it's done really badly here.

clearspira wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:44 pmOK. You remember Profit and Lace where we learn that sex change operations are so trivial and painless in the Federation that they can be handled on an outpatient basis within hours in any standard sickbay? Add to that the fact that Federation plastic surgery is absolutely perfect and can be done with nothing more than a hypospray and a dermal regenerator within hours, and I have a sad truth for you: The reason there logically should not be a trans character is because sex changes in this universe are as easy as switching on a light switch. This is such an easy procedure in fact that in real life everyone would be doing it for a week just to see what it's like. Suddenly going from that to ''look at me, I'm trans, here are my many crippling issues'' would be STD canon-break number 4628 by my count.

That aside though, If you really want to convince me the progressive future presented here is natural and realistic, the fact that someone is trans SHOULD NOT be made a big deal of. None of Geordi's colleagues cared about him being blind because blind people in the 24th century live perfectly ordinary and equal lives matching those of people with sight. No one made a big deal of Uhura being a black woman on the bridge because black women on the bridge are commonplace. A transman or transwoman should barely be a footnote in someone's mind by this point, somewhere between ''I want some coffee'' and ''what's on the TV?'' As I said earlier, this is one of the reasons why every Star Trek show before STD did diversity and progressive values better because they showed us a world where no one cares about whatever label you've got anymore, they care about YOU.

unknownsample wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:04 pm Does anyone on here like Discovery?

MrL1992 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:53 am Wow, complaints that DIS isn't diverse enough? That's a first, especially considering how some people (usually the kind who throw around the term 'SJW' non-ironically) talk about it.