I ain't afraid of no ghost week.

[Thebestoftherest]

So according to the website's update, Chuck will be covering the first episodes of Extreme Ghostbusters. For those who don't know it was the sequel to the animated Ghostbusters tv show from back in the 80's starring a new cast of characters with Egon acting as their mentor.

Not surprising he did it but surprising it came first

[Keyser94]

I never really got the hate that Ghostbusters 2 got. It wasn't as good as the first one but I still enjoyed. Hell, I didn't really hate the new Ghostbusters, there are some things I liked about it.

Same. I found Ghostbusters 2 to be fun and engaging, and I do not understand why people do not like it equally as much as the first movie.

I enjoyed it as a kid, but rewatching it a few years back, I realized the show was aimless and lacked the spirit of the old one.

It has some good ideas with the slime and Vigo, but they have so much time to fill that is stuff with the movie just ambling about.

A good part that sums the movie up is when the guys get back together, suit up and start running through New York as the soundtrack plays. It feels less like them being back in action and more them forming up to do something obliged of them that is required and not enjoyed.

It makes me wonder how much the cast even really wanted to make a sequel, especially Ackroyd.

And let not speak how despicable the ideology of the Ghostbuster movies, even that well hidden by humour, the basic ideology of the old Ghostbuster was not oversee it, not regulation whatsoever, even if they were literally having a fucking nuclear weapon in the middle of New York and their packs also were nuclear powered, when you realise that, you realise that Walter Peck was right to be worried, but the movie treat him like an idiot buffoon.

Its the same old superhero outlook that film loves so much: The heros should not be restrained to freely help society and not be voted by their regulations.

It's a very American ethos of individuals aiding society of their own initiative and that's prolly why it bugs you so much: it's quintessentially American.

Only that the whole myth is a lie, rich U. S. back in the day pay people like the Pickertons to shoot protesters when they demanded better pay and better regulations for their work environments, all the self-made rag to richer is a fantasy, as George Carlin used to say, the only way to believe in the "American" dream is to be sleep. Also, those regulation help in the water and the food that you consume, you not want that your water and food poison you. Don't you? And hell, in the early XX century they needed to regulate the fired departments, because they either fight between themselves than putting down the fires or they began the fires themselves and they pay a load sum to the owner of the establishment to put down the fire, everything from your mail services to the maintenance of your roads are fucking regulated, so the whole idea of self-righteous individualism is nothing more than a myth to put your down and rig the system, you never would be rich and powerful, and even if you even by pure luck there, the old blood always would look at you with disdain, never part of their class until you lie and ignore the bloodshed caused by them.

[Keyser94]

I never really got the hate that Ghostbusters 2 got. It wasn't as good as the first one but I still enjoyed. Hell, I didn't really hate the new Ghostbusters, there are some things I liked about it.

Same. I found Ghostbusters 2 to be fun and engaging, and I do not understand why people do not like it equally as much as the first movie.

I enjoyed it as a kid, but rewatching it a few years back, I realized the show was aimless and lacked the spirit of the old one.

It has some good ideas with the slime and Vigo, but they have so much time to fill that is stuff with the movie just ambling about.

A good part that sums the movie up is when the guys get back together, suit up and start running through New York as the soundtrack plays. It feels less like them being back in action and more them forming up to do something obliged of them that is required and not enjoyed.

It makes me wonder how much the cast even really wanted to make a sequel, especially Ackroyd.

And let not speak how despicable the ideology of the Ghostbuster movies, even that well hidden by humour, the basic ideology of the old Ghostbuster was not oversee it, not regulation whatsoever, even if they were literally having a fucking nuclear weapon in the middle of New York and their packs also were nuclear powered, when you realise that, you realise that Walter Peck was right to be worried, but the movie treat him like an idiot buffoon.

Its the same old superhero outlook that film loves so much: The heros should not be restrained to freely help society and not be voted by their regulations.

It's a very American ethos of individuals aiding society of their own initiative and that's prolly why it bugs you so much: it's quintessentially American.

This has nothing to do with their heroism and more of the fact that THEY HAVE A FUCKING NUCLEAR DEVICE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEW YORK, UNCHECKED, UNREGULATED, NO ONES IS OVERSEE IT and seeing how safe it is, also they have nuclear devices in their back packs, that also are unregulated, imagine what would happen if this devices go offs, hell, that almost happen when they do when they should do that cross the fires of the four because it was to dangerous, they could have blow up the entire city.

That is called recklessness. Not heroism.

One they only cross the streams because that they had no other choice, let me remind you of they didn't the unstoppable evil god monster would have keep destroying the planet, and two judging by how they all survive the blast of crossing the streams it is possible that the protons packs lack the power to do what you claim they can.

I know that, I see that movie like dozen of times when I was a kid, and the sequel, never the less, the idea of making Beck as a buffoon is stupid, more when the guy is right, but they did that on purpose, when you actually think, they were risking the whole Manhattan by having a nuclear device in the middle of the city without over-watch, and hell, science is only a background noise in this movie, typical seeing from what ideology come from, because how the backpack and the trap device in their base work is never explain, hell, even the cartoons did a better job explaining how their work than the movies, and they even have more self-awareness to see how dangerous those device were, hell, even in the comics Beck become part somewhat of the team, giving oversee over their activities, sure, they can save the city from ghost, but their device doesn't stop being less dangerous.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I think the most disappointing part of the Ghostbusters reboot was the ghost designs. That's something Extreme Ghostbusters does well.

[Thebestoftherest]

Except that Beck was given plenty of warning not to do it, if you got a device that works fine unless some idiot ignore safety procedures and shut it off. Remember he never did any investigations, hell for all we know the permit only allowed him to get professionals to check up on it and he over step his bounds.

[Thebestoftherest]

I think the most disappointing part of the Ghostbusters reboot was the ghost designs. That's something Extreme Ghostbusters does well.

The pacing and characters didn't help.

[Beastro]

Only that the whole myth is a lie, rich U. S. back in the day pay people like the Pickertons to shoot protesters when they demanded better pay and better regulations for their work environments, all the self-made rag to richer is a fantasy, as George Carlin used to say, the only way to believe in the "American" dream is to be sleep. Also, those regulation help in the water and the food that you consume, you not want that your water and food poison you. Don't you? And hell, in the early XX century they needed to regulate the fired departments, because they either fight between themselves than putting down the fires or they began the fires themselves and they pay a load sum to the owner of the establishment to put down the fire, everything from your mail services to the maintenance of your roads are fucking regulated, so the whole idea of self-righteous individualism is nothing more than a myth to put your down and rig the system, you never would be rich and powerful, and even if you even by pure luck there, the old blood always would look at you with disdain, never part of their class until you lie and ignore the bloodshed caused by them.

You assume I'm an individualist.

You also assume the core American ethos is it too which discounts their strong streak of conformity.

Americans, before modern consumer culture began to take deep root, very much preferred to be a collective of individuals who tended to themselves but were there keep anyone and everyone from getting too far out of line.

Even today, you live in Small Town America the locals will leave you to your own business, but will reach out to you and expect in return that you participate in their customs. You don't go along well enough and you'll quickly alienate them, especially over silly things like football and other bits of their civil religion.

It is a quintessentially Anglo-Saxon mentality that was transplanted directly from their Motherland. Timeless customs straight from England were practiced up to the 19th Century. One was weak henpecked or violent abusive husbands being dragged out of their houses by the rest of the town and publicly humiliated into smarting up and following the median of conduct everyone expected of married men in their society.

[Thebestoftherest]

Can we talk about some of the intential themes of ghostbusters.

[Cheerilee]

And why did Vigo had to have Dana's baby? Couldn't he have had Janosz steal a baby from an orphanage, that way no one would have learnt about his plan?

Janosz was creeping on Dana at the start of the movie, and he knew she had a baby. Vigo turned Janosz into a servant, and demanded a baby. Janosz's corrupted self was the one who decided that it must be Dana's baby. Janosz asked Vigo, if Vigo had the baby, could Janosz "have" the mother? Because the corruption amplified Janosz's existing creep factor. He told Dana that he and her together could be the parents of Vigo. Vigo asked for a baby, but it was entirely Janosz's penis that steered the kidnapping in the direction of Dana's baby.

Who made that slime? How come it could have moved towards Vigo's building? At least the building in the first film was build specifically to summon Gozer. This one is just a museum, and Vigo's painting was the only paranormal thing in it.

Vigo/New Yorkers made it. According to Egon, it was the "materialization of negative human emotions". It's a battery that holds a charge of evil. Vigo used his magic to create it, in the sewers, charged it up using the evil of New York, and Vigo flowed it towards the museum, where he existed in the painting. Because Vigo wanted to use it as an evil power source for his evil plans (protect the museum while he escapes his painting into Dana's baby). The Ghostbusters figured out that positive human emotions can negate the "evil" charge in the slime, and you can even charge it with positivity.

Except that Beck was given plenty of warning not to do it, if you got a device that works fine unless some idiot ignore safety procedures and shut it off. Remember he never did any investigations, hell for all we know the permit only allowed him to get professionals to check up on it and he over step his bounds.

Most movies have something to say (the ones that don't are usually boring), and you can disagree with what Ghostbusters says about government regulations and why, but in the text of the movie, Peck was wrong and he was an asshole.

Peck showed up at the Ghostbusters HQ not because he works for the EPA and was concerned about safety, but because he thought the Ghostbusters were frauds, and he wanted to expose their scheme.

Peck shows up without cause, and flouts his authority under the EPA, to ask to see the details of their operation, and Venkman is uncooperative. Peck threatens that Venkman should let him in, unofficially, otherwise Peck will go back and make this an official matter. Venkman counters that Peck should make it official, that way the Ghostbusters can sue Peck for harassment. So Peck storms off.

Peck eventually comes back with (checks the script)... an order to cease and desist all commerce, an order for seizure of the premises, a ban on use of public utilities for unauthorized waste handlers (aka, cutting off their electricity and water, because they don't have a permit to dispose of ghosts), and a federal inspection order. He has also arranged for a police escort. He also says "You're facing federal prosecution for at least half a dozen environmental violations." Note that at this point, Peck does not believe that the Ghostbusters are actually catching and disposing of ghosts, he believes that they are con-men, employing smoke and mirrors, and he wants to be the one to expose their con.

This is an outrageous abuse of power (setting aside the fact that the Ghostbusters were actually building nuclear reactors and ignoring safety regulations, but two wrongs don't make a right), and when Venkman shows up, Peck says (paraphrased) "This is because you insulted me." But Venkman didn't actually insult Peck in their first interaction. He was uncooperative, and he made Peck say "please", and then he still didn't roll over for Peck, and asked Peck to make things official. Peck meanwhile, introduced himself to Venkman, and Venkman insisted on his formal title of "Doctor". Peck questioned Venkman's claim to that title, and Venkman backed it up. Venkman *is a doctor*. Peck then proceeded to insult Venkman by *five times* referring to Venkman without his title, while never once using the rightly-earned title that Venkman asked him to use.

And then Peck bullied his electrician into performing an unsafe procedure while the electrician complained that he didn't know what he was doing, while Peck told the police that they had the authority to kill people for him.

Peck was absolutely in the wrong.

[Deledrius]

Same. I found Ghostbusters 2 to be fun and engaging, and I do not understand why people do not like it equally as much as the first movie.

I enjoyed it as a kid, but rewatching it a few years back, I realized the show was aimless and lacked the spirit of the old one.

It has some good ideas with the slime and Vigo, but they have so much time to fill that is stuff with the movie just ambling about.

That's how it feels to me as an adult now, too. They fill in the rest by resetting/revisiting the first film.

So according to the website's update, Chuck will be covering the first episodes of Extreme Ghostbusters. For those who don't know it was the sequel to the animated Ghostbusters tv show from back in the 80's starring a new cast of characters with Egon acting as their mentor.

And as I have said previously, it is the most underrated cartoon of the 90's.

It really is.