Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:44 pm
I preferred the JL Waller to Suicide Squad's for that grayness. JL's Waller is usually very willing to kill innocent people if she thinks the reasons are good enough, and considers the existence of a rival power to be reason enough even if it isn't hostile, but she'll drop a nuke on her own head just as readily. In Suicide Squad, everyone is expendable except her, which puts her douchiness at another level.
In Assault on Arkham she wasn't so trigger happy. When I said she was interesting, it was mainly that she and her operation fit as a singular role in the rogues gallery with motives. Really dark grey, but lighter than Dr. Freeze technically because her intent is to serve the public and not her own self.
But it is interesting that DCAU gives her those touches to make her save the world. Just makes her a completely different character.
I enjoyed her in Assault on Arkham, one of my favorite DC animated movies.
I guess the switch to her in Suicide Squad where she's motivated by the greater good, but her well-being is an essential part of that greater good, changed her too much from the JL version I was used to. Kind of like Ra's al Ghul, where he claims laudable environmental motivations but seems to consider his survival just as important. Being willing to throw away innocent lives is easier to tolerate from someone who considers themselves just as expendable.
Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:44 pm
I preferred the JL Waller to Suicide Squad's for that grayness. JL's Waller is usually very willing to kill innocent people if she thinks the reasons are good enough, and considers the existence of a rival power to be reason enough even if it isn't hostile, but she'll drop a nuke on her own head just as readily. In Suicide Squad, everyone is expendable except her, which puts her douchiness at another level.
In Assault on Arkham she wasn't so trigger happy. When I said she was interesting, it was mainly that she and her operation fit as a singular role in the rogues gallery with motives. Really dark grey, but lighter than Dr. Freeze technically because her intent is to serve the public and not her own self.
But it is interesting that DCAU gives her those touches to make her save the world. Just makes her a completely different character.
I enjoyed her in Assault on Arkham, one of my favorite DC animated movies.
I guess the switch to her in Suicide Squad where she's motivated by the greater good, but her well-being is an essential part of that greater good, changed her too much from the JL version I was used to. Kind of like Ra's al Ghul, where he claims laudable environmental motivations but seems to consider his survival just as important. Being willing to throw away innocent lives is easier to tolerate from someone who considers themselves just as expendable.
Well with these specific characters, motivations, and their adaptation dynamics in consideration, what do you think of Kilmonger and Thanos in comparison (to the DC subjects)?
Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:44 pm
I preferred the JL Waller to Suicide Squad's for that grayness. JL's Waller is usually very willing to kill innocent people if she thinks the reasons are good enough, and considers the existence of a rival power to be reason enough even if it isn't hostile, but she'll drop a nuke on her own head just as readily. In Suicide Squad, everyone is expendable except her, which puts her douchiness at another level.
In Assault on Arkham she wasn't so trigger happy. When I said she was interesting, it was mainly that she and her operation fit as a singular role in the rogues gallery with motives. Really dark grey, but lighter than Dr. Freeze technically because her intent is to serve the public and not her own self.
But it is interesting that DCAU gives her those touches to make her save the world. Just makes her a completely different character.
I enjoyed her in Assault on Arkham, one of my favorite DC animated movies.
I guess the switch to her in Suicide Squad where she's motivated by the greater good, but her well-being is an essential part of that greater good, changed her too much from the JL version I was used to. Kind of like Ra's al Ghul, where he claims laudable environmental motivations but seems to consider his survival just as important. Being willing to throw away innocent lives is easier to tolerate from someone who considers themselves just as expendable.
Well with these specific characters, motivations, and their adaptation dynamics in consideration, what do you think of Kilmonger and Thanos in comparison (to the DC subjects)?
I didn't see Black Panther or the latest Avengers movie, sorry. I've heard a little about their motivation but that's about it, and I don't know where they themselves fit in their priorities.
Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:44 pm
I preferred the JL Waller to Suicide Squad's for that grayness. JL's Waller is usually very willing to kill innocent people if she thinks the reasons are good enough, and considers the existence of a rival power to be reason enough even if it isn't hostile, but she'll drop a nuke on her own head just as readily. In Suicide Squad, everyone is expendable except her, which puts her douchiness at another level.
In Assault on Arkham she wasn't so trigger happy. When I said she was interesting, it was mainly that she and her operation fit as a singular role in the rogues gallery with motives. Really dark grey, but lighter than Dr. Freeze technically because her intent is to serve the public and not her own self.
But it is interesting that DCAU gives her those touches to make her save the world. Just makes her a completely different character.
I enjoyed her in Assault on Arkham, one of my favorite DC animated movies.
I guess the switch to her in Suicide Squad where she's motivated by the greater good, but her well-being is an essential part of that greater good, changed her too much from the JL version I was used to. Kind of like Ra's al Ghul, where he claims laudable environmental motivations but seems to consider his survival just as important. Being willing to throw away innocent lives is easier to tolerate from someone who considers themselves just as expendable.
Well with these specific characters, motivations, and their adaptation dynamics in consideration, what do you think of Kilmonger and Thanos in comparison (to the DC subjects)?
I didn't see Black Panther or the latest Avengers movie, sorry. I've heard a little about their motivation but that's about it, and I don't know where they themselves fit in their priorities.
Oh. Well the thing about protecting their well-being, Ra's in the DCUAOM was about ruling the world, in which self preservation doesn't necessarily contend with his self-perceived noblism, though I do see what you're getting at in general.
I don't know, personally I feel like someone's integrity is stretched a little thin if their ambitions cost innocent lives. Works as a villain though I suppose.
I think the Cadmus arc is the best implementation of a story dealing with these themes, better than Civil War, both the comic and the movie.
They do such a great job of having so many stand alone episodes tie into the main plot. They have so many characters but they're able to give everyone their time and fit them into the plot. They knew when to be subtle, they knew when to go big with action and drama, and they handled it with maturity.
And it's really impressive how it's able to use so much previously established continuity from the rest of the DCAU, even though none of those shows were made with a big story arc in mind. And Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, and Batman Beyond were all made during a time when the networks wanted shows to be more episodic so they'd be easier to sell to syndication.
Nealithi wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:28 pmWhat I missed from this review was no comment on Waller called in a nuke on Brainithor and was willing to stand at ground zero for it on the chance it was not needed. There is a reason she is a force to be reckoned with.
If I'm following you correctly, didn't Luthor fire the nuke without her knowing about it?
No, if you see the tiny bit with her as the JL is hugging Flash, she is on the phone not twenty feet away calling off a nuclear strike for right where she was. You are thinking of the mass fusion cannon on the Watchtower.
