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Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:05 am
by Deledrius
I could see Kolrami trying to interject some unexpected element into the exercise and being outmaneuvered by the Ferengi who irrationally act outside of their usual profit-driven motives; his plan backfires when the Ferengi don't stick to it and seize on an opportunity he didn't predict. It would have been a bit more thematically coherent.
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:25 pm
by chaos42
some times i wish we could redo episodes like this and fix all the problems they have. then again thats hindsight for you. either way i do wish that a lot of the mistakes of early trek could be fixed. i loved star trek but as ive gotten older ive realized the first 2 seasons had a lot of bad episodes --some good ones but it was the 3rd season were it got really good though even then it could have used some help
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:58 pm
by Deledrius
It's funny, as I've aged I've come around to be less harsh on a lot of the early episodes that I used to hold in lower regard. Not all, but some.
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:18 pm
by clearspira
As I have aged (shit, we sound like a bunch of senior citizens sitting on a bench here) I have realised that Trek actually had very few truly bad episodes. What we had was wasted potential. A better writer, a better season, a better script. That is all it would have taken to elevate a lot of the sub-5 episodes. Even PIC, as awful as that is, has a concept with potential.
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:06 am
by TGLS
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:18 pm
What we had was wasted potential. A better writer, a better season, a better script. That is all it would have taken to elevate a lot of the sub-5 episodes. Even PIC, as awful as that is, has a concept with potential.
Yeah, well, ideas are a dime a dozen, execution is everything.
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:16 am
by McAvoy
chaos42 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:25 pm
some times i wish we could redo episodes like this and fix all the problems they have. then again thats hindsight for you. either way i do wish that a lot of the mistakes of early trek could be fixed. i loved star trek but as ive gotten older ive realized the first 2 seasons had a lot of bad episodes --some good ones but it was the 3rd season were it got really good though even then it could have used some help
The first two seasons were seriously handicapped between Gene and Hurley.
This episode was just as constrained though Hurley was the one that from what I understand began the what we know of as the Borg.
Nowadays, the early TNG is basically in many head cannon as when the Federation got too complacent. It took Wolf 359 to wake them up.
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:01 am
by chaos42
wolf 359 is like the pearl harbor of star trek
still the episodes could have used some work plus i do wish they could have had the same sub plots and development that ds9 got
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:40 am
by McAvoy
chaos42 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:01 am
wolf 359 is like the pearl harbor of star trek
still the episodes could have used some work plus i do wish they could have had the same sub plots and development that ds9 got
TNG wasn't setup for what DS9 had during its run. Sure, they did have Barkley, that smug blonde Admiral, O'Brien (later on), Romulan G'Kar, Guinan...
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:45 pm
by Reality
chaos42 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:01 am
wolf 359 is like the pearl harbor of star trek
still the episodes could have used some work plus i do wish they could have had the same sub plots and development that ds9 got
I think it's more like their 9/11 honestly.
Beforehand, the Federation was peaceful and naive, afterwards they became more militant.
Re: TNG: Peak Performance
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:16 pm
by BridgeConsoleMasher
I think the economic oil crisis of the 70's was the basis for Wolf 359