BunBun299 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:52 am
I don't really have high expectations of the story. It's serviceable for the most part. You can't make the kind of character drama that came out of DS9 when I'm creating a custom bridge crew for my ship, not characters they give me, so I just make that part up in my head. I like most of the story arcs, even the ones complained about above, with the exception of the odd mission here or there. Notable exceptions for me would be most missions that require me to beam down without my away team (Colosseum would be a notable exception because I felt there was actually a reason to be on my own). Two Admirals beaming over to Earth Space Dock without a security escort, and one of those Admirals being around 160, is just idiotic. And missions where they expect me to fly some other ship.
Okay I assume you don't mean the shuttle missions. So let's count and see if they are egregious.
Fed Mission to fly a bird of prey. . Infiltration mission and relatively early in your career.
All faction Obelisk Carrier, that one felt justified. You basically stole a ship to escape subspace.
All faction Solonae Destroyer, okay this was a decent mission. But putting us in that did feel forced. There is no reason your own ship could not have stuck around and the Solonae returned to the fleet.
sayla0079 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:36 am
Okay speaking of DS9 someone answer this for me since I have heard different things. In STO Is Ezri Dax still alive or does she bite it later in the game? Someone said she dies and most info I found says she is still alive but not sure how current the info is.
According to game-canon staff-written blog posts, those heretics have Ezri marrying Julian, instead of Julian marrying his true love Elim Garak, which is obviously heresy but thankfully not in game yet.
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:40 pm
And what about the cure?
Violence would already be well underway by the time the notion we need the cure from the planet gets brought up. There would be no several hours of waiting patiently to learn that detail.
Besides, they didn't seem to be in any great hurry to deliver it at the end of the episode anyway. It's been a while, but didn't they leave the system at Warp 3? It didn't seem to be all that great a priority.
That still ignores the fact though that all Lutan would have to do is hold the cure in his hand and threaten to destroy it. We can all laugh at how slow they warped out, and how it only appears to be a mild flu, but sooner or later it is lethal. And what do you mean ''by the time we need a cure is brought up?'' they WENT THERE for the cure. Your psycho captain would be doing all of this knowing that she would potentially be sacrificing thousands for one person, breaking the Prime Directive which is a court martial offence, and potentially causing untold damage to a WHOLE society when it is really only a handful of men who are the problem.
There is middle ground between ''Not The Face, Not The Face Picard'' and ''Parody Janeway.''
They thought they'd be able to replicate it, till Crusher brought up that it can't be replicated hours after Tasha had been kidnapped. So, by the time that detail came up, the fight would be over. Also, my Captain would not be starting the fight. That started with the kidnapping. But she would finish it, and quickly.
Also, like I said, phasers have stun settings.
Regardless of whether they knew it could be replicated or not, your captain's actions to rescue one person still cost the lives of thousands, broke the Prime Directive, and potentially punished a whole planet for Lutan's actions. Take your initial suggestion to destroy the satellites. You do realise that would leave everyone on this planet open to attack by the next person that comes along right?
And as for the phaser stun settings, am I the only one that remembers that one of Chuck's oldest running jokes is that the phaser routinely does nothing at all even on kill? These are actually very shitty and inconsistent weapons that in real life would never have replaced what we have today for any reason.
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Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:40 pm
And what about the cure?
Violence would already be well underway by the time the notion we need the cure from the planet gets brought up. There would be no several hours of waiting patiently to learn that detail.
Besides, they didn't seem to be in any great hurry to deliver it at the end of the episode anyway. It's been a while, but didn't they leave the system at Warp 3? It didn't seem to be all that great a priority.
That still ignores the fact though that all Lutan would have to do is hold the cure in his hand and threaten to destroy it. We can all laugh at how slow they warped out, and how it only appears to be a mild flu, but sooner or later it is lethal. And what do you mean ''by the time we need a cure is brought up?'' they WENT THERE for the cure. Your psycho captain would be doing all of this knowing that she would potentially be sacrificing thousands for one person, breaking the Prime Directive which is a court martial offence, and potentially causing untold damage to a WHOLE society when it is really only a handful of men who are the problem.
There is middle ground between ''Not The Face, Not The Face Picard'' and ''Parody Janeway.''
They thought they'd be able to replicate it, till Crusher brought up that it can't be replicated hours after Tasha had been kidnapped. So, by the time that detail came up, the fight would be over. Also, my Captain would not be starting the fight. That started with the kidnapping. But she would finish it, and quickly.
Also, like I said, phasers have stun settings.
Regardless of whether they knew it could be replicated or not, your captain's actions to rescue one person still cost the lives of thousands, broke the Prime Directive, and potentially punished a whole planet for Lutan's actions. Take your initial suggestion to destroy the satellites. You do realise that would leave everyone on this planet open to attack by the next person that comes along right?
Lutan should have thought of that before abducting an officer from an alien ship carrying enough fire power to render his planet incapable of supporting life. And no, that's not some game level of fire power, that's something Capital Ships from Kirk's time could have managed. The Enterprise D could manage it half the time. Any damage done in this is on the head of the person who started it, and that's Lutan. He is risking the planet to sate his own ego.
And no, I am not suggesting actually glassing the planet. But a bit a property damage to make damn sure we have their undivided attention is warranted, considering he just kidnapped an officer. Waiting around for hours doing nothing is telling Lutan he can get away with anything. Or would you rather give Lutan hours to gang rape Tasha, which didn't happen, but for all they knew at the time, could have been happening?
And as for the phaser stun settings, am I the only one that remembers that one of Chuck's oldest running jokes is that the phaser routinely does nothing at all even on kill? These are actually very shitty and inconsistent weapons that in real life would never have replaced what we have today for any reason.
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:40 pm
And what about the cure?
Violence would already be well underway by the time the notion we need the cure from the planet gets brought up. There would be no several hours of waiting patiently to learn that detail.
Besides, they didn't seem to be in any great hurry to deliver it at the end of the episode anyway. It's been a while, but didn't they leave the system at Warp 3? It didn't seem to be all that great a priority.
That still ignores the fact though that all Lutan would have to do is hold the cure in his hand and threaten to destroy it. We can all laugh at how slow they warped out, and how it only appears to be a mild flu, but sooner or later it is lethal. And what do you mean ''by the time we need a cure is brought up?'' they WENT THERE for the cure. Your psycho captain would be doing all of this knowing that she would potentially be sacrificing thousands for one person, breaking the Prime Directive which is a court martial offence, and potentially causing untold damage to a WHOLE society when it is really only a handful of men who are the problem.
There is middle ground between ''Not The Face, Not The Face Picard'' and ''Parody Janeway.''
They thought they'd be able to replicate it, till Crusher brought up that it can't be replicated hours after Tasha had been kidnapped. So, by the time that detail came up, the fight would be over. Also, my Captain would not be starting the fight. That started with the kidnapping. But she would finish it, and quickly.
Also, like I said, phasers have stun settings.
Regardless of whether they knew it could be replicated or not, your captain's actions to rescue one person still cost the lives of thousands, broke the Prime Directive, and potentially punished a whole planet for Lutan's actions. Take your initial suggestion to destroy the satellites. You do realise that would leave everyone on this planet open to attack by the next person that comes along right?
Lutan should have thought of that before abducting an officer from an alien ship carrying enough fire power to render his planet incapable of supporting life. And no, that's not some game level of fire power, that's something Capital Ships from Kirk's time could have managed. The Enterprise D could manage it half the time. Any damage done in this is on the head of the person who started it, and that's Lutan. He is risking the planet to sate his own ego.
And no, I am not suggesting actually glassing the planet. But a bit a property damage to make damn sure we have their undivided attention is warranted, considering he just kidnapped an officer. Waiting around for hours doing nothing is telling Lutan he can get away with anything. Or would you rather give Lutan hours to gang rape Tasha, which didn't happen, but for all they knew at the time, could have been happening?
And as for the phaser stun settings, am I the only one that remembers that one of Chuck's oldest running jokes is that the phaser routinely does nothing at all even on kill? These are actually very shitty and inconsistent weapons that in real life would never have replaced what we have today for any reason.
Nothing suggested these people are phaser proof.
Why should Lutan have thought of that? He's one guy, not the ruler of the entire planet. Do you know any criminals that think of the entire world before doing things? And still not seeing any address of the ''you are breaking the Prime Directive'' point. Or does that not exist in STO?
Starbug wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:28 pm
Can you imagine if something like this had happened on DS9? Some yahoo kidnapped Kira and proclaimed his intent to marry her?
The episode would have to be entitled "The Pimp-Slap Heared Around The Galaxy", because there's no way Sisko would have put up with it.
Early TNG was rough to watch even being a dumb kid.
I was eye rolling as a little kid watching their "response" of setting off a torpedo in the atmosphere instead of reenacting the Anglo-Zanzibar War.
To me, it goes Season 3 onward > Season 2 > Season 1. Season 2 is at least marginally better. A little. At least it had a handful of good episodes. Season 1 had zero.
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