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Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:05 pm It's funny how Spock is telling Kirk not to come and rescue him so not to "violate" the PD, while he was already doing that anyway by setting the ice bomb in that volcano.

I thought the Prime Directive was mainly concerned with the inhabitants not knowing about the federation. It's about not influencing a change in their societal development.

BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:32 pm

Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:05 pm It's funny how Spock is telling Kirk not to come and rescue him so not to "violate" the PD, while he was already doing that anyway by setting the ice bomb in that volcano.

I thought the Prime Directive was mainly concerned with the inhabitants not knowing about the federation. It's about not influencing a change in their societal development.

Pike basically takes the Picard stance over Kirk's decisions with the volcano.

"You were supposed to survey a planet, not alter it's destiny."

Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:05 pm It's funny how Spock is telling Kirk not to come and rescue him so not to "violate" the PD, while he was already doing that anyway by setting the ice bomb in that volcano.

Star Trek was always actually fairly consistent that Captains had a lot of leeway to do what they needed or felt was right. The big issue I saw here was that Kirk altered his logs, which meant he was trying to deceive his superiors.

I'm inclined to think Marcus wouldn't give a shit normally or at least it would be a wrist slapping offense.

You mean Pike?

No, Pike is very clearly of the mind Kirk should have followed the PD.

Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:32 am

BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:32 pm

Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:05 pm It's funny how Spock is telling Kirk not to come and rescue him so not to "violate" the PD, while he was already doing that anyway by setting the ice bomb in that volcano.

I thought the Prime Directive was mainly concerned with the inhabitants not knowing about the federation. It's about not influencing a change in their societal development.

Pike basically takes the Picard stance over Kirk's decisions with the volcano.

"You were supposed to survey a planet, not alter it's destiny."

FINE

And now, 7 pages into the thread, the review is finally publicly viewable.


https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/film12.php

That was some pretty good analysis! Only real question I had was "where's the score?", lol.

By definition of being a Christmas show, I think it would be a 0. Annoying Character is probably won by Kirk, and a Burn, Baby, Burn trophy to the Vengeance.

My thoughts. So many missed opportunities.
I don't need to go into why this movie disappointed me. Others including Chuck have gone over so many of them they don't need repeating.
Points I liked. Someone violating the prime directive for moral reasons. Kirk calling out Pike that his attitude is why he got the Enterprise in the first place. It kinda was. And Kirk examining the evidence and following the villain's plot moments before the ambush. This was Kirk showing the tactical genius he is supposed to have. Let his brief foresight allow him to save Marcus. Let him reason out why the villain went to Qonos. (Steal a ship to fake an attack on the Federation to begin a war.)
Sorry I got off on a disappointment there.
Other thing I liked. SEATBELTS!