TNG Season 2: MATTER of HONOR + Starscream

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TNG Season 2: MATTER of HONOR + Starscream

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Now that I'm approaching 40, I get to 'pick apart' plots of my favorite episodes (now formerly fav eps).

TNG Season 2's "A Matter of Honor"...

* May I please disagree with Chuck's recent Klingon Honor video. I think you apply too much credit and thoughtfulness to Trek's writers on Klingon 'honor'. Case-in-point..... --->
* Captain Starscream on the IKS Pagh in the aforementioned EP... as well as all the Klingon-related concepts of the EP, have nothing to do with honor IMO
* Capt. Starscream (RIP) is willing to... attack the ENT-D, disband the Kling/Fed Treaty, kill Fed civilian families, and ALSO willing to throw his crew + ship away in a hopeless attack on the ENT-D.

So.... he either wants to destroy the Treaty OR get himself and his ship killed.

A 'matter of honor' indeed.
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"A Matter of Honor" was the "good" relaunch of the Klingons for TNG. After all, the Season 1 episode "Heart of Glory" was terrible.

This is where all the worldbuilding really began - this was even before the culture-defining moments in "Sins of the Father", "Yesterday's Enterprise", and Star Trek VI.
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Worf is basically Miyamoto Musashi.

He's a guy who very much writes about, thinks about, and practices honor.

The rest of the Klingon Empire is very much like Miyamoto thought about the rest of the Shogunate, which is that it was full of corrupt people very concerned about the appearance of honor but caring very little about the actual practice of it. It's not too dissimilar with the arguments I've had many times about my interpretation Christianity (which is very left leaning) versus my hometown's (which is very Right Wing as well as obsessed with wealth/persecution/victory).
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PerrySimm wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 2:38 am "A Matter of Honor" was the "good" relaunch of the Klingons for TNG. After all, the Season 1 episode "Heart of Glory" was terrible.

This is where all the worldbuilding really began - this was even before the culture-defining moments in "Sins of the Father", "Yesterday's Enterprise", and Star Trek VI.
"Heart of Glory" was cheesy as hell but it wasn't terrible, for a season 1 episode I thought it was brilliant, which translates to okay compared to better sci-fi.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 10:49 am Worf is basically Miyamoto Musashi.
Now I'm imagining Worf inventing a two batleth fighting style.
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TGLS wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 6:58 pm
CharlesPhipps wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 10:49 am Worf is basically Miyamoto Musashi.
Now I'm imagining Worf inventing a two batleth fighting style.
They'd just have to be smaller.

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We've seen smaller one handed batleths. Dax used them, and Worf often used them to fight the Jem Hadar. They're called "mek'leth"

More of a dagger than a one handed sword though.

"Dan Curry created the mek'leth at Michael Dorn's request when he joined Deep Space Nine in 1995. Dorn wanted a weapon that was easier to wield. The final design was based on a Himalayan blade, a Northern Tibetan cavalry sword. However, the ergonomics of the weapon were specifically designed for Dorn's mass and hand size. "

So, you can say Worf DID create an alternate fighting style.
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