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This one. Ugh. I remember watching this one when it premiered, and thinking throughout it, this is what the creative team wasted our hour on this week? Ultimately, it was just so boring, and so 'paint by the numbers' while doing so. Not sure if I'm relieved or disappointed that the review didn't reveal some deeper meaning to it that I'd missed. A five seems almost charitable to me for this one. At least the review was an enjoyable watch.

I only remember this episode because we finally got to see what a sonic shower actually does

You know, calling it "Juggernaut" seems like an overly-hyped title for a rather bland set-up. This is like the opposite of "Non-Sequitur." Did they ever even refer to the ship as a juggernaut? If so--it's a freaking garbage scow! Even if it's a big one, it doesn't deserve to be called a juggernaut!

Even Harry gets a break once in a while. Then again, Chakotay having anything to do at all is a minor miracle!

Another idea - kill off Carey in this episode. Have it be something like Carey is trying to find the clean and perfect Starfleet tech-tech answer, which goes horribly wrong, and Torres is willing and able to just bludgeon the thing until it works.

It's a win-win - less Neelix in the episode, and it would remind us why Torres is in charge (all the spats with Seven lately merely tell us Torres is in charge), plus for Carey it would at least be far more meaningful than being shot as a hostage.

Another one of the "I swear, I thought he'd already reviewed it" string of episodes. I had this confused with another episode, but I cannot remember which one. Goofy alien, goofy alien's oppressive supervisor, dire threat, dumb resolve.

Beyond that, I got nothing.

With the technobabble side of things that Chuck raised; I'm willing to accept a lot of dumb technobabble as long as they are consistent with their technobabble and how it works, and also that the rest of the episode is well put together. I'd accept any bullshit to justify them having to go onboard the interstellar garbage scow, as long as what they had to do there made sense and was consistent. But it isn't. And we get a return of the off-screen juggling and fantastic cities that we cant even spring for a matte painting of, school of film-making with the Malon society. Bueno.

Just offhandedly I can think, besides production cost, why our three mains didn't have bio suits. One is Torres is part Klingon and given what we know about their biology even with her being half Klingon it's enough to stand off the radiation with the injections. Also given her anger and the need to work with fine tune controls of an alien space craft I don't think she would willingly spend the whole trip in an EVA suit.

Neelix has been exposed to the radiation before, has his... home made treatment... And was most likely told by the Doctor any "minor" problem could easily be fixed.

Chakotay is part tree... That's all I got.

m4a2000 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:55 pm Just offhandedly I can think, besides production cost, why our three mains didn't have bio suits. One is Torres is part Klingon and given what we know about their biology even with her being half Klingon it's enough to stand off the radiation with the injections. Also given her anger and the need to work with fine tune controls of an alien space craft I don't think she would willingly spend the whole trip in an EVA suit.

Neelix has been exposed to the radiation before, has his... home made treatment... And was most likely told by the Doctor any "minor" problem could easily be fixed.

Chakotay is part tree... That's all I got.

Production costs were a big deal for Voyager. Chuck has said that the few suits they used for the demon planet were too valuable to risk damaging. Future looking environment or bio suits apparently aren't cheap. Plus there are issues like they are especially hot to work in on a lighted set, they restrict mobility which is a challenge for any sort of action, and anything but the most exaggerated helmets make it hard to clearly show the actors' faces. The space suits they wore in the Paris and Torres are dying in space episode worked because it was fine that they could barely move in that case. No way they would use a fairly light plastic bio suit like shown in contemporary shows. Too "ancient" looking. The tech in modern Trek is presented as so advanced that they normally just hand wave away radiation issues with "here's a hypospray", especially since it is that perfectly predictable plot radiation. Even better when they give basically an advance radiation "vaccine". What I am surprised they didn't use was magic armbands for radiation shields. Not a Brannon Braga script I guess.

Your Torres theory works. Neelix could be just that stupid. Lastly, wait, I thought Chakotay was all tree. In recent years I'd been assuming he was Groot's stiffer less eloquent long lost cousin.

Koshundheit wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:18 am ... Lastly, wait, I thought Chakotay was all tree. In recent years I'd been assuming he was Groot's stiffer less eloquent long lost cousin.

I wonder... Maybe someone can edit a scene so all that Chakotay says is "I am Groot".

Koshundheit wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:18 am Production costs were a big deal for Voyager. Chuck has said that the few suits they used for the demon planet were too valuable to risk damaging. Future looking environment or bio suits apparently aren't cheap. Plus there are issues like they are especially hot to work in on a lighted set, they restrict mobility which is a challenge for any sort of action, and anything but the most exaggerated helmets make it hard to clearly show the actors' faces. The space suits they wore in the Paris and Torres are dying in space episode worked because it was fine that they could barely move in that case. No way they would use a fairly light plastic bio suit like shown in contemporary shows. Too "ancient" looking. The tech in modern Trek is presented as so advanced that they normally just hand wave away radiation issues with "here's a hypospray", especially since it is that perfectly predictable plot radiation. Even better when they give basically an advance radiation "vaccine". What I am surprised they didn't use was magic armbands for radiation shields. Not a Brannon Braga script I guess.

The EV suits must be the same suits made for First Contact (they certainly look it). According to one story, Patrick Stewart nearly suffocated when they first put them on. Even with additional modifications, I'm sure no one wanted to wear them if they weren't needed.

there is a good reason to send the hedgehog, hes expendable, since his job is to inject people and hold the med kit, he probably can only barely screw this one up and there are probably half a dozen spare hypos in that kit and i wouldn't be surprised if the doctor told him to do it more often then it was needed because he knew he would forget to do it.


also the bit where tuvok asked if there is another plan after 7 gives him an additional back up plan just in case and she says she doesn't then you know its serious because if tuvok thinks they need a fourth plan in case this goes sideways you know its serious after all hes seen every last one of janeways screw ups he knows just what we are dealing with