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Trinary wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:38 pm I'm not a huge fan of Maul's return. I think he could be a great character and villain in his own right and he works well enough in this two-parter (leaving aside my negative thoughts about Savage and the whole Nightbrother retcon). But as he goes on and tries to act more like a Sith--naming himself as a master and Savage the apprentice, dabbling in underworld manipulations, etc.--he is pretty underwhelming.

It might just be me, but I could never see him pulling the sort of manipulations and schemes that Sidious or even Vader were capable of. The guy was pretty much just Sidious' muscle; his enforcer. Like a more developed and darker Asajj Ventress--very skilled and capable, and at his best as an assassin and warrior. When he tries to be more than that, he comes up very short.

Trinary wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:38 pm I'm not a huge fan of Maul's return. I think he could be a great character and villain in his own right and he works well enough in this two-parter (leaving aside my negative thoughts about Savage and the whole Nightbrother retcon). But as he goes on and tries to act more like a Sith--naming himself as a master and Savage the apprentice, dabbling in underworld manipulations, etc.--he is pretty underwhelming.

It might just be me, but I could never see him pulling the sort of manipulations and schemes that Sidious or even Vader were capable of. The guy was pretty much just Sidious' muscle; his enforcer. Like a more developed and darker Asajj Ventress--very skilled and capable, and at his best as an assassin and warrior. When he tries to be more than that, he comes up very short.

Winter wrote: ↑Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:46 am I think the biggest issue with Maul is something that Chuck mentioned in Empire Strikes Back. Lucas had gone over idea after idea about how to make the characters work and soon he game up with the idea that Vader was Luke's father so his motivation for hunting him down and the fear that Luke could turn to the Dark Side was made into something much more simplistic and yet nuanced and added to the story.

Maul wanting revenge against Obi-Wan is something we can understand and related to even if we know he'll never succeed but there is no reason for him to want to take over the criminal underworld other then to just give him something to do. In contrast Ahsoka's journey is kept simple and everything she does advances her character while also informing us about Anakin's character and throughout the series she has only one goal, which is to become a true Jedi knight.

However, as her journey goes on it becomes clear that she just doesn't fit in with the Order which leads her down a different path. For the longest time fans wanted to know what happens to Ahsoka, why wasn't she in Revenge, did she turn to the Dark Side or was she killed. Her final appearance in the show, until the upcoming Season 7, took her in a direction that we didn't see coming as she never feel to the dark side but didn't really become a Jedi either.

The series didn't need to give her an additional goal of trying to lead a anti-Sith task force to hunt down the Nightsisters while teaming up with Lando's father, one character arc was enough. And while she will likely never be mentioned in the films Ahsoka has left her mark on the series thanks to her being a well rounded character with a deep and interesting journey.

Maul on the other hand... A lot of my issues with his arc throughout the series also has a lot of issues I have with the current films. There's a lot of twists and turns that misunderstand, from my POV, the original meaning of the character while also making him unrecognizable from his original character in Phantom that made him so popular in the first place. Same thing with Luke in The Last Jedi.

In a attempt to add depth to the character they missed what made him so popular to begin with. Luke believed the best in people and did what he could to help those he thought could be saved and only came close to killing them when he was pushed to his limits. And Last then turned him into someone who would consider murdering his own nephew for having the possibly for turning evil when he put his own life on the line to save his father who had already committed a number of horrible crimes which included touting his friends, killing several rebels either directly or indirectly, being one of the people responsible for the death of his aunt and uncle, killing Obi-Wan right in front of him and nearly getting him killed TWICE!!! And yet he STILL gave Vader a chance to redeem himself but when Ben looked like he might go bad? Out With The Lightsaber and Get Ready To Kill Him While He's Asleep!!!

Same thing with Maul only on the other side of the board. Maul goes from a quite killing machine who shows almost no emotion to a schemer with goals beyond his reach. I still hold that the stories around Maul were good and while those stories may not effect the films they clearly left a mark on the fans as I know many who still enjoy his episodes. I'm interested to see what Chuck makes of these episodes when he gets around to them.

unknownsample wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:53 am So basically Maul should be just like how he was in TPM? I mean you have heard of character development haven't you?