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Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:00 pm
by Wargriffin

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:42 pm
by Archanubis
"And good news, everyone, [Warren Keffer]'ll be a recurring character throughout the season! Lucky you!"

Yeah, lucky us he doesn't show up all that much and dies at the end of the season. And no, I am not marking that last part as a spoiler, Chuck's already covered that episode. ;)

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:53 am
by Cassandra
I'm probably a minority in this but I hold Sheridan in about the same regard as I hold Wesley Crusher--and for largely the same reasons.

If I wanted a disguised author insert Mary Sue who became a messiah/god as part of a writer's complement to himself I'd read bad fanfic.

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:31 am
by Deledrius
Yeah, that aspect of the character really comes to the forefront as the series progresses.

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:55 am
by Mickey_Rat15
While I understand the symbolism and the humor in Sheridan speechifying to an empty room, it just bugs me that the B5 command center should ever be empty. It is the local traffic control for the jumpgate, and it is doubtful that all human traffic, much less the alien races, runs by Greenwich Mean Time or whatever B5's day/night cycle is aligned with.

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:43 pm
by Wargriffin
Cassandra wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:53 am I'm probably a minority in this but I hold Sheridan in about the same regard as I hold Wesley Crusher--and for largely the same reasons.

If I wanted a disguised author insert Mary Sue who became a messiah/god as part of a writer's complement to himself I'd read bad fanfic.
You'd have to prove that Sheridan is JMS' persoanl stand in though or atleast make a compelling arguement


I mean unlike Marv Wolfman whose author insert was just him with a different name

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:44 pm
by CrypticMirror
Mickey_Rat15 wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:55 am While I understand the symbolism and the humor in Sheridan speechifying to an empty room, it just bugs me that the B5 command center should ever be empty. It is the local traffic control for the jumpgate, and it is doubtful that all human traffic, much less the alien races, runs by Greenwich Mean Time or whatever B5's day/night cycle is aligned with.
I think it is mentioned somewhere that there is an entire other shift, led by a Major Someonewenevermet, which operates out of a secondary control room for their shift. What we see is the senior command crew and the shift they typically command.

As for the Minbari holding a grudge, imagine if Iraq or Afghanistan sent as Ambassador to the US someone famous for placing roadside IEDs that blew up a shipment of US troops. I imagine that many would not be happy. Yes the Minbari take it too far, but it isn't without understandable foundation.

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:13 pm
by Admiral X
Except that the ship they're whining about getting blown up was on its way back to blow up what it thought was a helpless ship, and that this was during a war of genocide against people who were otherwise completely helpless to fight back against them.

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:30 pm
by Sir Will
Admiral X wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:13 pm Except that the ship they're whining about getting blown up was on its way back to blow up what it thought was a helpless ship, and that this was during a war of genocide against people who were otherwise completely helpless to fight back against them.
THIS!

Re: Babylon 5: Points of Departure

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:40 pm
by Aotrs Commander
Admiral X wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:13 pm Except that the ship they're whining about getting blown up was on its way back to blow up what it thought was a helpless ship, and that this was during a war of genocide against people who were otherwise completely helpless to fight back against them.
Yeah. The Minbari were throwing a wobbly because the people they were brutally massecring both literally and metaphorically had the actual gall to not all die conveniently at their decree! I mean, how dare they realise that the Minbari were using distress calls as a means to locate and slaughter helpless people and twist it back on them! After all, there is so much enormous honour to be gained by flying around and shooting up escape pods! That's, like, all of the honour!

(Actually, thinking about it, it was a bit like the British Army attitude to colonial warfare in the 19th/early 20th century, where they (the upper-class officiers at least) believed that all the savages they were civilising should all run at the British guns and be shot down in neat order and that things like the other side not dying was Not Playing The Game... Though as least they didn't quite call it "honourable." I think. Probably. Some of 'em anyway.)



Not best fond of the Minbari a lot of the time, to be honest. (Though with B5 being what it is, no character is just their collective culture, fortunately.)