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FaxModem1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:23 pm One thing that episode makes clear about their future which is really cool, and maybe slightly concerning about the holodeck is how you can make anyone in history your mentor figure. Janeway has the holodeck whip up Leonardo as her mentor, and from that point on, she gets to learn a few things from him, while doing a few menial chores preparing fake rent for a workspace.

Imagine having Leonardo teach you how to paint, sculpt, engineer, etc, or to learn philosophy from Aristotle, writing poetry from Emily Dickinson, etc. I wonder if the holodeck would make private teachers more or less valuable, in the same way that Bob Ross taught people how to paint on TV instead of going to an art class, only the program can critique and interact with you.

Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:04 pm The holodeck Leonardo is not the actual Da Vinci. It is what the holodeck system can construct and extrapolate from the historical data available to it on Da Vinci, which is certainly incomplete and subject to interpretation. So leading a away team with Da Vinci on it is not a serious notion and is extremely self-indulgent when one of your most vital pieces of ship's equipment is on the line and no one for one replacement is available.

DanteC wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:42 pm

FaxModem1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:23 pm One thing that episode makes clear about their future which is really cool, and maybe slightly concerning about the holodeck is how you can make anyone in history your mentor figure. Janeway has the holodeck whip up Leonardo as her mentor, and from that point on, she gets to learn a few things from him, while doing a few menial chores preparing fake rent for a workspace.

Imagine having Leonardo teach you how to paint, sculpt, engineer, etc, or to learn philosophy from Aristotle, writing poetry from Emily Dickinson, etc. I wonder if the holodeck would make private teachers more or less valuable, in the same way that Bob Ross taught people how to paint on TV instead of going to an art class, only the program can critique and interact with you.

I can see it going to another extreme. If the computer is smart enough to extrapolate information (such as in 'Remember Me' when it can define the universe), and can be used to run simulations without physical prototypes, then assuming you have a computer with enough processing power, it could be possible to have it essentially solve any problem given time. Paris could just go "Computer, construct a shuttlecraft capable of flight within the gas giant we are orbiting", let it number-crunch and add a few extras per his specifications, and sorry engineering design crew, you're not needed. Or Janeway could just make the ultimate torture chamber, with all the victims played by Harry. For purposes... Assuming Starfleet get mobile emitter technology ubiquitous, they could easily build a ship crewed entirely by holograms (Red Dwarf did that for an episode, it actually makes a lot of sense), use them to scout hostile terrain, act as emergency nurses, etc. And would make Starfleet redundant for many of their appointed tasks. Too risky to send a gold-shirt, just send an instance of .securityBot().

Shame they didn't get JRD for more episodes; even though I've not seen Concerning Flight I enjoyed him working with Janeway in Scorpion. Him bouncing off Jeri Ryan or Robert Picardo would be fun.

FaxModem1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:23 pmThis appears to be a relatively recent development, as holodeck programs in the TNG years were much less interactive when it came to teaching anything but how to fight.

Food for thought.