DIS - Through the Valley of the Shadow

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/c127.php

[Link8909]

I genuinely enjoyed "Through the Valley of the Shadow" myself.

This was the episode that sold me on Anson Mount and his version of Captain Pike, while I thought he was good, the scene of him seeing his future, being horrified by it, but still being brave and taking the Time Crystal was amazing.

I also really like the Temple on Boreth and how time acts differently because of the Time Crystals, the scene between Jett Reno and Doctor Culber was really nice, and I enjoyed Burnham and Spock’s mission to the Section 31 ship.

[CrypticMirror]

They need to make Discovery be its own universe so we can have more Pike and have him avoid the chair without it breaking continuity.

Also, chiming in on a subject Chuck raised, I am disabled and use walking aids. Any future which keeps me using those aids or having me in a chair, and dares to call itself a Utopia can fuck right off. It is not blessed change or whatever other bullshit gets floated around, it is a crippling. It is a crippling and and it is something I want to unhappen, and I would make unhappen in a heartbeat if I could. Saying I should be happy with it is the real insult.

[Mabus]

Season 2 of Discovery reminds me of that exchange from Waterworld after Dennis Hopper's character gives a passionate speech on how they'll find Dryland thanks to a little girl:

Henchman: So which way are we rowing?
Deacon: I don't have a goddamn clue! Don't worry. They'll row for a month before they figure out I'm faking it.

I feel like both S2 of DIS and S1 of PIC are like this. It looks like they're heading in some direction, but in reality the end result is just more nonsense. At least Waterworld gave us Kevin Costner drinking his own piss, Michael on the other hand is just pissed at something.

[CharlesPhipps]

I think the Talosians giving him a life of happiness and mobility is fine. Mind you, he's probably getting his spooge harvested for test tube babies.

[JL_Stinger]

I'd certainly rather be dead that live how Pike ends up.

[CharlesPhipps]

I'd certainly rather be dead that live how Pike ends up.

In Lower Decks, they now have a special planet where all diseases and injuries are healed including Pikes.

I wonder if it's the Baku planet.

[Worffan101]

Anson Mount is so much better than the material he's been given that it's not even funny.

[Strejdaking]

Speaking of sounding moodier, Chuck sounds real done with it.

Chuck's been usually good at not overdoing it with clips and saving them just for the right moment, so the Simpsons clip was pretty jarring-it was just explaining the joke. It's not even at all an obscure reference.

[FlynnTaggart]

Seeing the Pike stuff makes me want to atleast give the Pike and Spock show a chance. Inhuman dude seems like he's doing pretty well in the role, acting the crap outta his part.

On the wheelchair thing, I don't think its ableist or unreasonable that he'd be horrified and think his life is over upon being turned into a Deadpool and Professor X amalgamation. Losing autonomy like that, being altered so significantly is an adjustment for even the strongest person. Military veterans struggle with that stuff, sometimes unfortunately succumb to the notion that life is not worth living. Its called a traumatic event for a reason, it freaking traumatic, it mess you up. Acting like he should be instantly fine knowing he's going to be completely altered like that I think is an insult to anyone who have ever struggled with any traumatic experience including disabled people of all types and possibly more.

Nor do I think its offensive that he'd want to live a fantasy were he is restored. Yeah some people learn to live with their disability and are fine with it, some people aren't, I'm betting alot of people with any sort of disability wish they didn't have it. I can only speak for mental disability and trauma but I certainly wish I wasn't so opposed to physical contact and intimacy, would love to have proper emotional responses, and wouldn't mind terribly to not live in crippling fear of people and crowds. I'd like to be "cured" though certainly wouldn't want it forced on me and wouldn't want treated like a second class citizen without it but if the option to take a pill and be a social butterfly that doesn't want to scrub the skin off when someone gives me a handshake yeah I'd probably take it.