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Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:41 pm
by Mabus
https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/st07.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNScNJ547dE

Short Treks are either hit or miss. This one I feel leans more to the latter.

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:29 pm
by Jonathan101
Episode is undermined a bit by the fact that Enterprise-E would find themselves in a similar situation later on, and Picard disobeying orders (with his entire command staff and bridge crew supporting him) ended up saving the Earth from the Borg.

Not to mention all the other times the Admiralty gives orders that turn out to be wrong at best, or part of some sinister conspiracy at worst. I don't think this is a particularly good test of "morality vs personal stakes" so much as "how good are you at following the rules?"

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:09 pm
by Link8909
So I finally got the Short Treks Blu-Ray, so now I can talk about it, and I really liked this one, it was an interesting short and simple story, and I pretty much agree on Chuck's points from the review, I do hope Cadet Thira Sidhu returns for Strange New Worlds as well.

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:42 pm
by CharlesPhipps
Yes, this test is both:

1. Needlessly sadistic

2. If followed by actual cadets in Starfleet would result in the destruction of humanity multiple times.

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:40 pm
by Worffan101
Most Short Treks are total dogshit or a sow's ear made of total dogshit and good acting. Only the one with Affluenza Kid Spock and Number One was anything close to genuinely good.

This one...I'm not sure. I think it's in the sow's ear category.

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:19 am
by Link8909
CharlesPhipps wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:42 pm Yes, this test is both:

1. Needlessly sadistic

2. If followed by actual cadets in Starfleet would result in the destruction of humanity multiple times.
That's true, however I feel that while one shouldn't blindly follow orders, one shouldn't blindly disregard them either, it's a balancing between the two.

Also while I see what you mean on the test being needlessly sadistic, honestly is child's play compared to what the SAS put their recruits through.

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:21 pm
by Riedquat
If they regularly do tests like this half the time anything happens a good proportion of the crew are going to be wondering if it's a test.

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:36 pm
by Enterprising
Jonathan101 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:29 pm Episode is undermined a bit by the fact that Enterprise-E would find themselves in a similar situation later on, and Picard disobeying orders (with his entire command staff and bridge crew supporting him) ended up saving the Earth from the Borg.
Disobeying orders is okay, provided you save Earth.

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:22 pm
by clearspira
Worffan101 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:40 pm Most Short Treks are total dogshit or a sow's ear made of total dogshit and good acting. Only the one with Affluenza Kid Spock and Number One was anything close to genuinely good.

This one...I'm not sure. I think it's in the sow's ear category.
More bullshit from the Discovery Reboot.

Re: Short Treks: Ask Not

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:36 pm
by Jonathan101
Enterprising wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:36 pm
Jonathan101 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:29 pm Episode is undermined a bit by the fact that Enterprise-E would find themselves in a similar situation later on, and Picard disobeying orders (with his entire command staff and bridge crew supporting him) ended up saving the Earth from the Borg.
Disobeying orders is okay, provided you save Earth.
Doesn't hurt if the Admiral you are disobeying happens to die.

Heck, same thing happens in "Insurrection".

Starfleet Admirals shouldn't give Jean-Luc Picard questionable orders. The universe seems to kill them for it.