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clearspira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:25 am Well... this is timely. As relevant now as it was then.

Genuine debate time: is there any greater proof that mutually assured destruction works then the fact that Ukraine gave up their nukes and now they are being invaded by a nuclear power? Is there any greater proof that mutually assured destruction works then the fact that the West is LETTING it happen because we are scared of nuclear war?

clearspira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:31 pm I was enjoying life more a decade ago than I am today. If you had told me in 2012 that by 2022 we would have a worldwide plague, Brexit, people panic buying loo roll, the guy from the Apprentice would be president, protestors would be storming the capitol building, months of race riots and the Cold War would be back, I think I would have said ''nah, bro.''

Historians are not going to look back on our time fondly.

Madner Kami wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:49 pm Since three days now, I am trying to formulate a post that accurately adressed some of the points being made in the video, how it touched me and helped change my perspective (e.g. I stopped advocating for a no fly zone), while strenghtening my resolve in other regards. What each of these posts began with was, adressing the idea of "taking it up to my own politicians" and all of those posts ended up as complex thought-pieces that I had trouble to unravel myself, leading to deleting them over and over again, so I'll keep my thoughts simple in an attempt to say anything at all and getting out of my deadlock:

The idea that I shouldn't try to change the situation by calling Russians to revolt against Putin, but rather by me revolting against my politicians in order to prevent escalation is strikingly foolish in my opinion. Now I do not want to consider Putin as irrational, but what strikes me as a simple fact is, that we can not back down to his threats with nuclear war for the precise reason that Putin and arguably Russia, is a bully by nature. We are very much in the exact some situation that Chamberlain and Europe as a whole were in the 1930s. In an effort to placate german sentiments and prevent an escalation, Europe backed down and it kept backing down until it was forced into a war regardless of the initial sentiments and wishes. Putin is giving me increasingly the vibe of Hitler. He has a goal. He as stated it out loud for everyone to see. He will go there, no matter what. Me advocating for my politicians to de-arm the nuclear option is none, because we'd be left standing without pants, against an opposition that can threaten us with nuclear war without a fear of retaliation and, moreso, because he can not win a conventional war and yet seems to have the resolve to start one (and arguably having created a self-fullfilling prophecy, because he can not back down from the narrative he has spun without being swept out of his position of power), forces himself into the nuclear option.

This strikes me as foolish. Both parties can be completely rational, but, it doesn't mean that both parties are working in the same framework. If we give up the option of shaping the common or forcing a comming framework, we will loose everything.