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Mabus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:19 pm https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/w106.php

Along with the Xeno-Gorn, probably one of the worst things to have come out of SNW.
Ursula Le Guin's original short story is more of a "what if" scenario rather than a proper story, and thus it's not something that can be translated into something more solid without changing the story to some degree. The setting of the original story takes place in a remote location, low tech, where, people have few options besides staying and leaving. But in the Star Trek universe, with thousands if not more habitable planets some even well outside the sphere of influence of expanding powers, there's no reason why anyone on Majalis, a very advanced warp-capable civilization, would be comfortable living on a doomed planet when you could just pack your stuff and go somewhere else. No, one colony failing doesn't mean living on another planet isn't possible, it just means bad planning. I mean, come on, the Federation creates outer colonies every 2 episodes.

Also, whatever solution dr. M'Benga got for his daughter's illness, is rendered pointless by the fact that 2 episodes later she's saved by that magic space cloud, so this subplot was a complete waste of time.

Mabus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:19 pm https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/w106.php

Along with the Xeno-Gorn, probably one of the worst things to have come out of SNW.
Ursula Le Guin's original short story is more of a "what if" scenario rather than a proper story, and thus it's not something that can be translated into something more solid without changing the story to some degree. The setting of the original story takes place in a remote location, low tech, where, people have few options besides staying and leaving. But in the Star Trek universe, with thousands if not more habitable planets some even well outside the sphere of influence of expanding powers, there's no reason why anyone on Majalis, a very advanced warp-capable civilization, would be comfortable living on a doomed planet when you could just pack your stuff and go somewhere else. No, one colony failing doesn't mean living on another planet isn't possible, it just means bad planning. I mean, come on, the Federation creates outer colonies every 2 episodes.

Also, whatever solution dr. M'Benga got for his daughter's illness, is rendered pointless by the fact that 2 episodes later she's saved by that magic space cloud, so this subplot was a complete waste of time.

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:21 pm

Mabus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:19 pm https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/w106.php

Along with the Xeno-Gorn, probably one of the worst things to have come out of SNW.
Ursula Le Guin's original short story is more of a "what if" scenario rather than a proper story, and thus it's not something that can be translated into something more solid without changing the story to some degree. The setting of the original story takes place in a remote location, low tech, where, people have few options besides staying and leaving. But in the Star Trek universe, with thousands if not more habitable planets some even well outside the sphere of influence of expanding powers, there's no reason why anyone on Majalis, a very advanced warp-capable civilization, would be comfortable living on a doomed planet when you could just pack your stuff and go somewhere else. No, one colony failing doesn't mean living on another planet isn't possible, it just means bad planning. I mean, come on, the Federation creates outer colonies every 2 episodes.

Also, whatever solution dr. M'Benga got for his daughter's illness, is rendered pointless by the fact that 2 episodes later she's saved by that magic space cloud, so this subplot was a complete waste of time.

To be fair, that actually makes the Omelas story relevant as social satire.

"Western civilization is built on a lot of suffering children. Have you considered not living off that exploitation?"

clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:02 am200 years ago perhaps. Hardly a timely moral to have.

Mabus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:19 pm Also, whatever solution dr. M'Benga got for his daughter's illness, is rendered pointless by the fact that 2 episodes later she's saved by that magic space cloud, so this subplot was a complete waste of time.

clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:01 am Kind of the Krypton problem, especially in Man of Steel. The moment this species goes from ''Superman's spaceship is a prototype'' to ''more than one planet outside of the solar system'' the show is nonsense.

Mabus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 5:48 pm

clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:01 am Kind of the Krypton problem, especially in Man of Steel. The moment this species goes from ''Superman's spaceship is a prototype'' to ''more than one planet outside of the solar system'' the show is nonsense.

I think they sort of try to handwave it in the film, something about "Krypton decided to go full eugenics as population control and somehow because of that, abandoned space travel", which is a very weak reason. They should have just teased "some unknown force destroyed all the outer colonies and Krypton decided to go full isolationist to protect themselves", but leave it ambiguous, so it could either be Brainiac of Darkseid.

clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:02 am

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:21 pm

Mabus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:19 pm https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/w106.php

Along with the Xeno-Gorn, probably one of the worst things to have come out of SNW.
Ursula Le Guin's original short story is more of a "what if" scenario rather than a proper story, and thus it's not something that can be translated into something more solid without changing the story to some degree. The setting of the original story takes place in a remote location, low tech, where, people have few options besides staying and leaving. But in the Star Trek universe, with thousands if not more habitable planets some even well outside the sphere of influence of expanding powers, there's no reason why anyone on Majalis, a very advanced warp-capable civilization, would be comfortable living on a doomed planet when you could just pack your stuff and go somewhere else. No, one colony failing doesn't mean living on another planet isn't possible, it just means bad planning. I mean, come on, the Federation creates outer colonies every 2 episodes.

Also, whatever solution dr. M'Benga got for his daughter's illness, is rendered pointless by the fact that 2 episodes later she's saved by that magic space cloud, so this subplot was a complete waste of time.

To be fair, that actually makes the Omelas story relevant as social satire.

"Western civilization is built on a lot of suffering children. Have you considered not living off that exploitation?"

200 years ago perhaps. Hardly a timely moral to have.

Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:58 pm Tell me Clearspira do you own any Nike shoes?