An opinionated discussion of all things SFDebris
https://sfdebris.net/forum/
Hm, actually I have a different thing coming to my mind there. This guy looks eerily like Tal Rasha from Diablo II.Chuck wrote:Looks like a Wraith with Dreadlocks
Now that you say it, I think you're right.Madner Kami wrote:This thread is kind of in the wrong forum, but in expectance of this getting moved to where it belongs:
Hm, actually I have a different thing coming to my mind there. This guy looks eerily like Tal Rasha from Diablo II.Chuck wrote:Looks like a Wraith with Dreadlocks
Heh, that goes for entire races in the SG universe too. The Tollan, the Asgard, the Asurans.ChiggyvonRichthofen wrote:I agree with Chuck that this episode is rather slight, but I like it. It's a more action-oriented episode than usual, and there's certainly no real surprises in the story.
I take slight issue with the way that Stargate treats anyone who dares to question the heroes. Realistically, the oversight committees, NID, and various thorns-in-side have plenty of strong points to make about the way SG-1 conducts their business. Many times the points a guy like Kinsey or Simmons makes could be taken straight from Gateworld. In-universe, without the conceit of episodic television and "the heroes never lose", the number of times SG-1 skirts the edge of disaster for the SGC or the entire planet is extremely troubling. Truth be told, I wouldn't want these people to be returning to work right after alien possessions, disobeying orders, switching sides, and whatever other hijinks regularly occur.
The common strategy is to make the NID guy so unlikable (or at best a "love to hate" figure) that you just have to go against him even if he's technically right.
The Asgard are never presented that way. If anything, their death is more presented as them chosing to go on their own terms. They are never portrayed really negatively. Heck, the Asgard in fact are THE most cooperative race, since they help the Tau'ri build their capital ships.Morgaine wrote:Heh, that goes for entire races in the SG universe too. The Tollan, the Asgard, the Asurans.ChiggyvonRichthofen wrote:I agree with Chuck that this episode is rather slight, but I like it. It's a more action-oriented episode than usual, and there's certainly no real surprises in the story.
I take slight issue with the way that Stargate treats anyone who dares to question the heroes. Realistically, the oversight committees, NID, and various thorns-in-side have plenty of strong points to make about the way SG-1 conducts their business. Many times the points a guy like Kinsey or Simmons makes could be taken straight from Gateworld. In-universe, without the conceit of episodic television and "the heroes never lose", the number of times SG-1 skirts the edge of disaster for the SGC or the entire planet is extremely troubling. Truth be told, I wouldn't want these people to be returning to work right after alien possessions, disobeying orders, switching sides, and whatever other hijinks regularly occur.
The common strategy is to make the NID guy so unlikable (or at best a "love to hate" figure) that you just have to go against him even if he's technically right.
Any race who dares question, oppose or be uncooperative with the magnificent Taur'i are presented as arrogant, condescending, flat out evil for no reason and/or eventually killed off and be presented as being deserving of being killed off.
This also applies a bit to the Aschen. The only Earth-ally race to dare question the policy of becoming a space hegemony without informing 99% of the population and refusing to remain the SGC's little secret friend of course turn out to be cartoon supervillains.
Morgaine wrote:But why would they choose death? They weren't outright dying, not yet. It was all presented like they deserved death so they could move aside for the Tauri.Ghilz wrote:The Asgard are never presented that way. If anything, their death is more presented as them chosing to go on their own terms. They are never portrayed really negatively. Heck, the Asgard in fact are THE most cooperative race, since they help the Tau'ri build their capital ships.Morgaine wrote:Heh, that goes for entire races in the SG universe too. The Tollan, the Asgard, the Asurans.ChiggyvonRichthofen wrote:I agree with Chuck that this episode is rather slight, but I like it. It's a more action-oriented episode than usual, and there's certainly no real surprises in the story.
I take slight issue with the way that Stargate treats anyone who dares to question the heroes. Realistically, the oversight committees, NID, and various thorns-in-side have plenty of strong points to make about the way SG-1 conducts their business. Many times the points a guy like Kinsey or Simmons makes could be taken straight from Gateworld. In-universe, without the conceit of episodic television and "the heroes never lose", the number of times SG-1 skirts the edge of disaster for the SGC or the entire planet is extremely troubling. Truth be told, I wouldn't want these people to be returning to work right after alien possessions, disobeying orders, switching sides, and whatever other hijinks regularly occur.
The common strategy is to make the NID guy so unlikable (or at best a "love to hate" figure) that you just have to go against him even if he's technically right.
Any race who dares question, oppose or be uncooperative with the magnificent Taur'i are presented as arrogant, condescending, flat out evil for no reason and/or eventually killed off and be presented as being deserving of being killed off.
This also applies a bit to the Aschen. The only Earth-ally race to dare question the policy of becoming a space hegemony without informing 99% of the population and refusing to remain the SGC's little secret friend of course turn out to be cartoon supervillains.
Asgard who are uncooperative or feel the Taur'i aren't worth helping are constantly portrayed negatively. Even Thor is presented as an incompetent damsel in distress in constant need of rescue and help from humans, and is eventualyl reduced to helping the SGC keep their little secret intact from the general populace while again any alien who thinks the SGC and their little international oversight committee shouldn't keep all the space pie to themselves is evil.
And who made them genocidal villains? Or right, McKay. And frankly I find it hard to hate the Asurans for being genocidal when the heroes' answer to stop them was total genocide.Plus, the Asurans are outright genocidal villains, not "uncooperative". The Tollans are uncooperative
Besides I'm not saying any of these races were innocent (aside from the Tollan and Asgard) but they're written in such a way to make them despicable unlikable assholes deserving of the horrible fates they eventually get, just like Kinsey and Simmons (though ironically Mayborne was worse than both of them and kinda got off alright in the end).