Nobody Wants to WORRRK! T_T

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Is it just me? In my work in retail, I'd be wondering if maybe we should raise the minimum to $20 per hour to meet the wage stagnation.

No, it's not just you. The cost of living has risen since we started pushing for $15 an hour in the 90s, so that now the living wage that actually lets you pay rent, keep the lights on, put food on the table and support a family is $25 an hour. I've been calling my congress members asking for $30 an hour on the basis that progressive legislature works so slowly maybe by the time we get $30 it will have kept up with the standard of living.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I will say that this might not work with small businesses. Paying let's say $15 an hour for even one employee might be beyond some. But that is small potatoes compared to Mega corporations like let's say Walmart or fucking Amazon.

Let's let not forget the how bad Amazon is to their employees.

And yet, it's the Mega Corps that legislate even harder against $15 an hour. Because they have a lot more people to pay $15 an hour too.

Not to sound callous, but any Mom and Pops store that pays it's employees $7.50 an hour deserves to fail. Everyone has a right sleep indoors and put food on the table. Owning a bed-and-breakfast or a bakery is a privilege, not a right.

[Captain Crimson]

Is it just me? In my work in retail, I'd be wondering if maybe we should raise the minimum to $20 per hour to meet the wage stagnation. And yet others insist there'd be terrible economic consequences, and I'm not too sure about that. But I do know the big companies can probably afford it, as others noted.

The elites don't know jack about the common man. I don't like excessive work that drains my time on weekends or where I have to go into overtime, and I'm not the only one working in my family. My uncle has two jobs. It's brutal out there. At least biking to work cuts down on gas costs.

According to my father, the consequences are 'you raise it a dollar, all the prices will go up a dollar and a nickel, you can't win.'

But he's a small govt type who thinks the fed's only good for the armed forces and anti-monopoly laws and that they should butt out on everything else.

Well, it's not like the anti-trust laws work so well anymore anyway. The greedy swine found a way around that.

[Thebestoftherest]

I will say that this might not work with small businesses. Paying let's say $15 an hour for even one employee might be beyond some. But that is small potatoes compared to Mega corporations like let's say Walmart or fucking Amazon.

Let's let not forget the how bad Amazon is to their employees.

And yet, it's the Mega Corps that legislate even harder against $15 an hour. Because they have a lot more people to pay $15 an hour too.

Not to sound callous, but any Mom and Pops store that pays it's employees $7.50 an hour deserves to fail. Everyone has a right sleep indoors and put food on the table. Owning a bed-and-breakfast or a bakery is a privilege, not a right.

Who ever says that doesn't know how business work.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Is it just me? In my work in retail, I'd be wondering if maybe we should raise the minimum to $20 per hour to meet the wage stagnation. And yet others insist there'd be terrible economic consequences, and I'm not too sure about that. But I do know the big companies can probably afford it, as others noted.

The elites don't know jack about the common man. I don't like excessive work that drains my time on weekends or where I have to go into overtime, and I'm not the only one working in my family. My uncle has two jobs. It's brutal out there. At least biking to work cuts down on gas costs.

According to my father, the consequences are 'you raise it a dollar, all the prices will go up a dollar and a nickel, you can't win.'

But he's a small govt type who thinks the fed's only good for the armed forces and anti-monopoly laws and that they should butt out on everything else.

Well, it's not like the anti-trust laws work so well anymore anyway. The greedy swine found a way around that.

That said, we haven't really tried. There are anti-trust laws on the books that haven't been enforced for decades.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I will say that this might not work with small businesses. Paying let's say $15 an hour for even one employee might be beyond some. But that is small potatoes compared to Mega corporations like let's say Walmart or fucking Amazon.

Let's let not forget the how bad Amazon is to their employees.

And yet, it's the Mega Corps that legislate even harder against $15 an hour. Because they have a lot more people to pay $15 an hour too.

Not to sound callous, but any Mom and Pops store that pays it's employees $7.50 an hour deserves to fail. Everyone has a right sleep indoors and put food on the table. Owning a bed-and-breakfast or a bakery is a privilege, not a right.

Who ever says that doesn't know how business work.

Which statement?

[ProfessorDetective]

Is it just me? In my work in retail, I'd be wondering if maybe we should raise the minimum to $20 per hour to meet the wage stagnation. And yet others insist there'd be terrible economic consequences, and I'm not too sure about that. But I do know the big companies can probably afford it, as others noted.

The elites don't know jack about the common man. I don't like excessive work that drains my time on weekends or where I have to go into overtime, and I'm not the only one working in my family. My uncle has two jobs. It's brutal out there. At least biking to work cuts down on gas costs.

According to my father, the consequences are 'you raise it a dollar, all the prices will go up a dollar and a nickel, you can't win.'

But he's a small govt type who thinks the fed's only good for the armed forces and anti-monopoly laws and that they should butt out on everything else.

Well, it's not like the anti-trust laws work so well anymore anyway. The greedy swine found a way around that.

Unless it's something stupidly major, like Disney having to spinoff Fox Sports because that plus ESPN would've been like 93% of US sports coverage.

[Mickey_Rat15]

Is it just me? In my work in retail, I'd be wondering if maybe we should raise the minimum to $20 per hour to meet the wage stagnation.

No, it's not just you. The cost of living has risen since we started pushing for $15 an hour in the 90s, so that now the living wage that actually lets you pay rent, keep the lights on, put food on the table and support a family is $25 an hour. I've been calling my congress members asking for $30 an hour on the basis that progressive legislature works so slowly maybe by the time we get $30 it will have kept up with the standard of living.

So instead of taking that as hard evidence that trying to legislate a wage floor is a fool's errand, you repeat the same action and hope for a different result.

If the work expected of a job is worth less than $15 plus all the other expenses of employing someone, than the wage will be less than $15. If the market is restrained from finding an appropriate wage commensurate with the value produced,, it will redefine what the value of $15, or $20, or $30 is to compensate. All you are doing is injecting uncertainty into the market and limiting people's right to contract, with the major practical effect of eliminating entry level jobs.

[Thebestoftherest]

I will say that this might not work with small businesses. Paying let's say $15 an hour for even one employee might be beyond some. But that is small potatoes compared to Mega corporations like let's say Walmart or fucking Amazon.

Let's let not forget the how bad Amazon is to their employees.

And yet, it's the Mega Corps that legislate even harder against $15 an hour. Because they have a lot more people to pay $15 an hour too.

Not to sound callous, but any Mom and Pops store that pays it's employees $7.50 an hour deserves to fail. Everyone has a right sleep indoors and put food on the table. Owning a bed-and-breakfast or a bakery is a privilege, not a right.

Who ever says that doesn't know how business work.

Which statement?

if you raise the minimum raise a dollar everything would goes up by nickels or dimes not a whole dollar

[Nealithi]

Is it just me? In my work in retail, I'd be wondering if maybe we should raise the minimum to $20 per hour to meet the wage stagnation. And yet others insist there'd be terrible economic consequences, and I'm not too sure about that. But I do know the big companies can probably afford it, as others noted.

The elites don't know jack about the common man. I don't like excessive work that drains my time on weekends or where I have to go into overtime, and I'm not the only one working in my family. My uncle has two jobs. It's brutal out there. At least biking to work cuts down on gas costs.

According to my father, the consequences are 'you raise it a dollar, all the prices will go up a dollar and a nickel, you can't win.'

But he's a small govt type who thinks the fed's only good for the armed forces and anti-monopoly laws and that they should butt out on everything else.

The example my parents give is this. When my father was in the Navy they would announce the pay increases before they went into effect. The exact number quoted escapes my memory. But say it was $0.50 an hour wage increase. All the businesses raised their prices $0.50 across the board. So a pay increase actually had service members and families losing money.

As for the argument that big businesses can afford to pay their employees more. Yes and no. Yes they are likely bringing in enough to pay that and not raise prices. But it comes out of profits. This may sound like a no brainer. But investors, those guys who own stock in the company want to see that number always increase so their shares are always worth more and they can sell them for more. I got this from hearing the issue with why EA is greedy. They have to keep the stock price rising any way they can because no one cares about the dividends anymore. Just the sale price of the stock. And sadly one way to boost profits is lower costs. The issue as I see it is this. If by some miracle people paid Walmart to work there and suppliers paid them to put their products on the shelves and customers bought it all up. Investors would say "Cool, make profits go up more." And those investors are everyone from corporate types to workers with 401k plans. Which means even common workers want those profits to go up.