Motorcycle Airbags...as a subscription service

[TGLS]

I dunno. I think the best comparison is a seatbelt that:
Is installed in the car aftermarket
Won't click into place if you don't place if you don't pay the fee
In a world where seatbelts aren't a thing

[Nealithi]

The payment issue alone. This was a few decades back. But my parents got overdraft letters and bounced many checks. Why? Because their direct deposits never went in. Not the fun trip of bill then put in the deposits. The deposit never happened. When the bank checked? Hundreds of their customers had the same issue. Turned out that a new hire got a lump payment in from a bank and instead of disbursing to each account as they should have. Dumped all the money into the first account on the list. Simple human error that cost honest customers quite a bit of grief. Now imagine that for safety or security. . So again you paid honestly and your device does not work because someone else messed up the payment. . .

While your example is satisfactory for establishing the concept, for the third time in this thread, it doesn't really apply specifically to the device in question.

I thought it was clear. Anything we tie to a payment option can simply be rendered nonfunctional through simple human error. I even said so in the bit you quoted. So even if you accept the subscription you can be rendered unsafe through no fault of your own. It is yet another hole in the idea. I mean what if they did this with a safety device on an aircraft?

[McAvoy]

Ahh yes. Let's imagine you pay for air bags in your car but if you don't subscribe to that car manufacturer they don't work.

Yes I was saying that that comparison is a bit irrational. Was that your point as well, or were you countervailing that sentiment?

Just my own thoughts. Doesn't matter if my comparison doesn't fully 100% line up with the OP.

Yes, agreed. Nonetheless I was soliciting for a clarification somewhat.

OK imagine buying a car. Car has airbags. But you have to pay for the software to make them work and if you don't, then they don't work.

Then again, I am hearing that the latest cars and trucks now have software updates and I might be wrong, you can't drive it until the software update is complete.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Ahh yes. Let's imagine you pay for air bags in your car but if you don't subscribe to that car manufacturer they don't work.

Yes I was saying that that comparison is a bit irrational. Was that your point as well, or were you countervailing that sentiment?

Just my own thoughts. Doesn't matter if my comparison doesn't fully 100% line up with the OP.

Yes, agreed. Nonetheless I was soliciting for a clarification somewhat.

OK imagine buying a car. Car has airbags. But you have to pay for the software to make them work and if you don't, then they don't work.

Then again, I am hearing that the latest cars and trucks now have software updates and I might be wrong, you can't drive it until the software update is complete.

Alright, but this is very much not a standardized feature by any commercial means. You want a premium sound system in the new car you buy and it's usually an overpriced pos for the same cost as this thing. This is about the level of luxury this item is for the type of vehicle that a lot of people drive.

The payment issue alone. This was a few decades back. But my parents got overdraft letters and bounced many checks. Why? Because their direct deposits never went in. Not the fun trip of bill then put in the deposits. The deposit never happened. When the bank checked? Hundreds of their customers had the same issue. Turned out that a new hire got a lump payment in from a bank and instead of disbursing to each account as they should have. Dumped all the money into the first account on the list. Simple human error that cost honest customers quite a bit of grief. Now imagine that for safety or security. . So again you paid honestly and your device does not work because someone else messed up the payment. . .

While your example is satisfactory for establishing the concept, for the third time in this thread, it doesn't really apply specifically to the device in question.

I thought it was clear. Anything we tie to a payment option can simply be rendered nonfunctional through simple human error. I even said so in the bit you quoted. So even if you accept the subscription you can be rendered unsafe through no fault of your own. It is yet another hole in the idea. I mean what if they did this with a safety device on an aircraft?

I have a feeling that you would be well aware when you were in the grace period as a result of that human error, which would last 30 days.

[McAvoy]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

It's a product that has to be designed and invented, and it costs money for it to all come together. Are you aware of the commercial burden put in place and how that creates a complicated dynamic of supply availability? Also, of the fact that you can buy it for $800 for out of link usage, as noted by our trusty admin SFdebris.net, TGLS?

[McAvoy]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

It's a product that has to be designed and invented, and it costs money for it to all come together. Are you aware of the commercial burden put in place and how that creates a complicated dynamic of supply availability? Also, of the fact that you can buy it for $800 for out of link usage, as noted by our trusty admin SFdebris.net, TGLS?

Volvo gave away the invention of seat belts for free and that was in the 50's. I think the air bag was developed around the same time. Both took time to be implemented. Once they were introduced, do you think the cars were more expensive than the ones without them?

My point while not exactly like what is happening here is that, it took money to develop the safety features of a car and perhaps it was carried over to the consumer somehow. But not a single manufacturer withheld the tech unless you paid for it.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

It's a product that has to be designed and invented, and it costs money for it to all come together. Are you aware of the commercial burden put in place and how that creates a complicated dynamic of supply availability? Also, of the fact that you can buy it for $800 for out of link usage, as noted by our trusty admin SFdebris.net, TGLS?

Volvo gave away the invention of seat belts for free and that was in the 50's. I think the air bag was developed around the same time. Both took time to be implemented. Once they were introduced, do you think the cars were more expensive than the ones without them?

My point while not exactly like what is happening here is that, it took money to develop the safety features of a car and perhaps it was carried over to the consumer somehow. But not a single manufacturer withheld the tech unless you paid for it.

This is really irrational. Why are you talking about Volvo when this is a part company? They make vests and don't make motorcycles and don't have a fleet of cars for testing and practical implementation for cost effective measure. I compare it to a premium sound system because it essentially has nothing to do with the design of the car for like 90+% product specification.

This kind of design was never part of any motorcycle on the market, partly because it's not part of the motorcycle.

I'm having trouble finding irony in the comparison still.

[McAvoy]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

It's a product that has to be designed and invented, and it costs money for it to all come together. Are you aware of the commercial burden put in place and how that creates a complicated dynamic of supply availability? Also, of the fact that you can buy it for $800 for out of link usage, as noted by our trusty admin SFdebris.net, TGLS?

Volvo gave away the invention of seat belts for free and that was in the 50's. I think the air bag was developed around the same time. Both took time to be implemented. Once they were introduced, do you think the cars were more expensive than the ones without them?

My point while not exactly like what is happening here is that, it took money to develop the safety features of a car and perhaps it was carried over to the consumer somehow. But not a single manufacturer withheld the tech unless you paid for it.

This is really irrational. Why are you talking about Volvo when this is a part company? They make vests and don't make motorcycles and don't have a fleet of cars for testing and practical implementation for cost effective measure. I compare it to a premium sound system because it essentially has nothing to do with the design of the car for like 90+% product specification.

This kind of design was never part of any motorcycle on the market, partly because it's not part of the motorcycle.

I'm having trouble finding irony in the comparison still.

I compare it to Volvo because the simple fact irregardless of profit making they let other much much bigger industries take the invention.

Oh and a sound system means jackshit when it comes to safety.

Fine let's compare. Car or motorcycle means jackshit for safety. You want me to pay a month for a sound system? Sounds like XM Radio to me. I got the system in place but I need to pay into the subscription to keep it active? Yeah satellite radio!

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

It's a product that has to be designed and invented, and it costs money for it to all come together. Are you aware of the commercial burden put in place and how that creates a complicated dynamic of supply availability? Also, of the fact that you can buy it for $800 for out of link usage, as noted by our trusty admin SFdebris.net, TGLS?

Volvo gave away the invention of seat belts for free and that was in the 50's. I think the air bag was developed around the same time. Both took time to be implemented. Once they were introduced, do you think the cars were more expensive than the ones without them?

My point while not exactly like what is happening here is that, it took money to develop the safety features of a car and perhaps it was carried over to the consumer somehow. But not a single manufacturer withheld the tech unless you paid for it.

This is really irrational. Why are you talking about Volvo when this is a part company? They make vests and don't make motorcycles and don't have a fleet of cars for testing and practical implementation for cost effective measure. I compare it to a premium sound system because it essentially has nothing to do with the design of the car for like 90+% product specification.

This kind of design was never part of any motorcycle on the market, partly because it's not part of the motorcycle.

I'm having trouble finding irony in the comparison still.

I compare it to Volvo because the simple fact irregardless of profit making they let other much much bigger industries take the invention.

Oh and a sound system means jackshit when it comes to safety.

Fine let's compare. Car or motorcycle means jackshit for safety. You want me to pay a month for a sound system? Sounds like XM Radio to me. I got the system in place but I need to pay into the subscription to keep it active? Yeah satellite radio!

Home heating has to do with safety to. It can be a pretty intrusive monthly cost. So my question is, why does what you're saying technically not apply to home gas heating?