DS9 - Visionary

[CrypticMirror]

Back when Kirk and Spock stole a Romulan cloaking device, it was mentioned that there was (or would be) a perpetual arms race around cloaking technology. One side builds a cloaking device, so the other side builds a device that can see through cloaking devices, so the other side builds even better cloaking devices that can't be detected, so the other side builds even better detectors that can see through the even better cloaking devices, and so on and so forth.

That's military technology for you, the only reason everyone's got guns and bombs and were now seeing drones and so on, instead of chucking rocks at each other. Relatively speaking nothing's changeed since the rock-chucking days. Just a higher chance of getting other people nearby killed.

I heard a theory once that intelligence and war go hand in hand because necessity is the mother of invention. All of these things were first developed for war or because of war: Space rockets, nuclear power, plastic surgery, canned food, duct tape, computers, satellites, radar, freeze-dried coffee. And these are just the tip of the lists I Googled.

It actually seems as if we owe our whole society to war. That is not to say it is the only way, but I wonder how a truly peaceful world would have developed. Is there a motivation to leave the Garden of Eden?

That depends on the culture involved. Some cultures might find the lack of war an incentive and a comfort, enabling them to innovate with less fear of failure and, when it comes to exploration, fling themselves into the void without fear. Other cultures, perhaps in more war torn worlds, might be terrified of the unknown, preferring to keep on fighting among themselves at home, and maybe not even able to summon courage to leave the cradle of their world without delegating it to drones; the cowards.

[Fianna]

I'd say it's more natural selection: societies that don't devote a substantial amount of their scientific progress towards war tend to get conquered by those that do.

[drewder]

What I love here is the subtle little foreshadowing - 50 torpedoes locked onto the Warbird. Nice buildup to The Way of the Warrior. Also, remember back when DS9 just had the most token defenses possible?

Magnified 100x. I did like how there was some talk about upgrading the station that lead up to the Way of the Warrior though.

I always wondered exactly how that refit happened. How much of it was custom made for the station and how much of it was directly Star fleet tech.

I agree with you though how interesting the episodes were when the station hardly had legit defenses against even the best the local powers had to offer.

Given that a majority of the defenses were phasers and photon torpedoes, it seems mostly the challenge was integrating UFP technology into Cardie designs. Which O'Brien has commented on before - or will, chronologically.

That has been said many times how hard it is to integrate Fed tech with Cardie tech. The thing is that the weapons we saw fire look like nothing like Fed tech but Cardie tech. It makes me wonder if they custom made those or that is what Fed tech looks like but with a Cardie paint job. Or they were always there but O'Brian upgraded them with enhanced power/reload/weapons etc.

The real difficulty was the creation of self sealing stem bolts which had to be reverse engineered from borg technology. After that the rest was easy.

[Captain Crimson]

Who else remembers the Noh-Jay Consortium?

[Marveryn]

going back to O Brian. He works here really well cause he is easily the everymen of star trek. He not a captain or an officer. He always down on his knees working on some tech. Unlike scotty who at times been force to take command (he often the one on the bride when both kirk and spock are in an away mission) O brian pretty much is an working Joe which is seldom been a focus of any episode.

what helps carry this is of course they choose a very good actor for this. As for future him now being effective. Cleary o'brian is jumping into an alternate timeline where in the past he was either cure already or wasn't never effective. The future him just travel to a point where he could diverge the timeline. Giving the proximity to the prophet who has no concept of time having someone jumping around must be like how they see thing.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

He's also really good at playing the bad guy if he has to.

[McAvoy]

What I love here is the subtle little foreshadowing - 50 torpedoes locked onto the Warbird. Nice buildup to The Way of the Warrior. Also, remember back when DS9 just had the most token defenses possible?

Magnified 100x. I did like how there was some talk about upgrading the station that lead up to the Way of the Warrior though.

I always wondered exactly how that refit happened. How much of it was custom made for the station and how much of it was directly Star fleet tech.

I agree with you though how interesting the episodes were when the station hardly had legit defenses against even the best the local powers had to offer.

Given that a majority of the defenses were phasers and photon torpedoes, it seems mostly the challenge was integrating UFP technology into Cardie designs. Which O'Brien has commented on before - or will, chronologically.

That has been said many times how hard it is to integrate Fed tech with Cardie tech. The thing is that the weapons we saw fire look like nothing like Fed tech but Cardie tech. It makes me wonder if they custom made those or that is what Fed tech looks like but with a Cardie paint job. Or they were always there but O'Brian upgraded them with enhanced power/reload/weapons etc.

The real difficulty was the creation of self sealing stem bolts which had to be reverse engineered from borg technology. After that the rest was easy.

I think O'Brien didn't even know what they did. It might have been the same episode as the Noh-Jay Consortium.

Maybe it is Cardie tech. I kinda figured they were a bolt that with another tool that self sealed and self torqued itself together. Like it expanded itself or had something inside that expanded a quantum foam to seal. Or it's like a river that expands in the rivet hole when bucked.

[AndrewGPaul]

This reminds me of my niggly annoyance with DS9 - O’Brien and Bashir don’t play darts properly. Always going for the bull instead of treble 20.

[Beastro]

Is there a motivation to leave the Garden of Eden?

As always with people, to be as gods.

[CrypticMirror]

This reminds me of my niggly annoyance with DS9 - O’Brien and Bashir don’t play darts properly. Always going for the bull instead of treble 20.

It is enraging, and so common on tv. So many people seem to think the bull is the highest scoring slot, and it just is not. They need to bring back Bullseye so people can get a proper darts education.
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