Nobody Wants to WORRRK! T_T

[Nealithi]

In my last job, Aviation repair and inspection, they hired people to work in the Parts Department for $14 an hour straight off the street. This was a probation pay that after six months it would jump to $18, an hour. My job, found out after awhile to keep these employees and bring in more they made it $18 an hour for six months and then $20-22 an hour based on performance.

The company while pretty successful and before Covid very profitable, isn't a big company like Amazon for example or big super market chains like Shop Rite. But they still managed to give employees a pretty good starting pay with no experience in the field. People with no degree of any kind in fact.

You... wouldn't still happen to have their contact info on file... would you?

Jet East Aviation.

And yes they are hiring.

Jet East popped up as being here in NJ. I may need to look as well.

[McAvoy]

In my last job, Aviation repair and inspection, they hired people to work in the Parts Department for $14 an hour straight off the street. This was a probation pay that after six months it would jump to $18, an hour. My job, found out after awhile to keep these employees and bring in more they made it $18 an hour for six months and then $20-22 an hour based on performance.

The company while pretty successful and before Covid very profitable, isn't a big company like Amazon for example or big super market chains like Shop Rite. But they still managed to give employees a pretty good starting pay with no experience in the field. People with no degree of any kind in fact.

You... wouldn't still happen to have their contact info on file... would you?

Jet East Aviation.

And yes they are hiring.

Jet East popped up as being here in NJ. I may need to look as well.

Their main HQ is in the Mercer Trenton Airport right off 295 in Ewing. But they are spread out all over the country now. I know they just opened up a location I believe in Millstone.

[Mickey_Rat15]

Also, you are effectively creating an environment favoring existing large corporations by strangling future competitors in the cradle. The large corporations can easier handle large rises in costs, compared to the average small business.

Large corporations can handle anything better, because a business needs to run a profit to survive, and you can make more profit if you have more money to start with. Should we just give up on every kind of business regulation or ethical stricture because small businesses are less able to meet or evade them than big businesses with squads of lawyers?

Lastly, you speak of "inequity". A business owner has put considerable capital into his venture both financial and his personal human capital. He has taken on considerable liabilities with no guarantees of getting a return.

You're right, there are no guarantees of return, because no investment is guaranteed to pay off. The first rule of investing is you don't invest more than you can afford to lose. If they invest more in their small business than they can afford to lose, they should have been more responsible with money.

The employee has little invested in his job and no liability. He is free to leave when he wants.

That "freedom" means nothing if all the other jobs available pay the same wage. Enough money to eat and sleep indoors is a right. A net gain on your financial investment of spare money is not.

Except it is an obvious falsehood that all jobs pay the same wage. If you cannot find a job that will pay you what you consider adequate for living, that may be because you have not developed the skills and the productivity necessary to command such pay. You have no right for such pay to be handed to you on a platter. That would have to come out of other people's excess productivity, and if no one has excess productivity, then there is nothing to give to you, hence you have no rights there.

Your assertion that a person's investment in their business is merely "spare money" is laughable, and they do have a right to not be crippled by the government from being able to earn a living off their investments of money and time and labor.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Investment IS spare money. It's passive income. It's money that makes money instead of money you get by working for it.

The "don't have the skills to command it" is bullshit. Skills don't allow workers to command a living wage, collective bargaining does. They will demand five years of field experience and a degree and pay you $12.50 an hour while doing the work of three people.

But all this is beside the point. The minimum wage was established so that one person working full-time could provide for a family and live in a house. If you object to that standard, then you have a problem with the existence of minimum wage itself but are unwilling to say so.

[Mickey_Rat15]

Investment IS spare money. It's passive income. It's money that makes money instead of money you get by working for it.

The discussion was on small business owners who are working full time at the business and living off the profits of the business. Their investment is far from passive. Your definition is simply ignorant.

Just to note, passive investments fund the growth of most private and public sector retirement plans. So, yeah, just "spare money", sure.

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The "don't have the skills to command it" is bullshit. Skills don't allow workers to command a living wage, collective bargaining does. They will demand five years of field experience and a degree and pay you $12.50 an hour while doing the work of three people.
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To say that wages are disconnected from the value produced by the worker is an extradordinary claim, and one that just does not hold up to scrutiny. And that collective bargaining is the only thing that allows for aliving wage is obviously false with how many people earn good pay without collective bargaining at all.

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But all this is beside the point. The minimum wage was established so that one person working full-time could provide for a family and live in a house. If you object to that standard, then you have a problem with the existence of minimum wage itself but are unwilling to say so.
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Among other things, minimum wages were established to help prevent non-union workers from undercutting union wages, especially when blacks were barred from most unions. That being noted, to expect an unskilled entry level job to support home ownership and a family is not how reality can work. As you are raising the price of "entry level' above the level productivity one can expect from someone who has no experience and few developed skills.

I am quite willing to say that the minimum wage is a destructive notion. The government has no just authority to set prices because no politician or bureaucracy has the knowledge to make a good decision on what prices should be across an economy for a state or a city, much less a nation as large and diverse as the United States. As wages are prices for labor, the federal government setting a minimum wage is pure hubris.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Well I'm glad you finally admit that you're anti minimum wage, because now we can stop prevaricating around the bush and engage with what you actually think and mean. I'm tired of pretense. Also you kinda screwed up with the quote function. You need a Quote without the slash to start a quote again.

[Mickey_Rat15]

Well I'm glad you finally admit that you're anti minimum wage, because now we can stop prevaricating around the bush and engage with what you actually think and mean. I'm tired of pretense. Also you kinda screwed up with the quote function. You need a Quote without the slash to start a quote again.

What do you mean by "finally"? I wrote that the minimum wage was a fool's errand back on May 7th. I made no bones on the fact that such laws are awful economically illiterate ideas.

[phantom000]

So, what were we talking about?

[ProfessorDetective]

So, what were we talking about?

People finally leveraging their worth as workers en mass enough (mostly due to the COVID lockdown-induced unemployment boom and the subsequent bonuses to unemployment payouts) to make companies feel it. No one wants to work for $7.25 an hour, doing the work of three different positions at three different companies just to MAYBE, BARELY, make ends meet. Unemployment is paying out BETTER than most entry-level grunt work, so folks are waiting for a better opportunity instead of jumping when told to.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Well I'm glad you finally admit that you're anti minimum wage, because now we can stop prevaricating around the bush and engage with what you actually think and mean. I'm tired of pretense. Also you kinda screwed up with the quote function. You need a Quote without the slash to start a quote again.

What do you mean by "finally"? I wrote that the minimum wage was a fool's errand back on May 7th. I made no bones on the fact that such laws are awful economically illiterate ideas.

Well then I apologize for not paying better attention to you.

I think a minimum wage is necessary because otherwise we return to the days of gilded age factories and robber barons. I mean, we're kind of already there, but it's something to help.

Now there's a labor shortage, and business owners are whining because they have to deal with those market forces you hold in such high esteem.