Was the Star Wars Disney Sequel Trilogy Concepts Well Executed?

[Winter]

The primary weakness of the Sequel Trilogy is the lack of a strong concept. The best entry in the trilogy, The Last Jedi, at least tries to create a thesis statement for the trilogy (the relationship between past and future) by trying to give meaning to decisions made in TFA that were mostly done because they looked cool in the moment.

Again, I honestly do think that TDST had good concepts as, again, She-Ra had similar concepts and that show is AMAZING!!! The weakness of the Trilogy is the lack of building a foundation on what came before, copy and pasting the plot and character arcs of the Original Trilogy and was more interested in showing up the past yet only lived in its shadow which is in addition to poorly executing good if not great concepts.

[phantom000]

The primary weakness of the Sequel Trilogy is the lack of a strong concept. The best entry in the trilogy, The Last Jedi, at least tries to create a thesis statement for the trilogy (the relationship between past and future) by trying to give meaning to decisions made in TFA that were mostly done because they looked cool in the moment.

Again, I honestly do think that TDST had good concepts as, again, She-Ra had similar concepts and that show is AMAZING!!! The weakness of the Trilogy is the lack of building a foundation on what came before, copy and pasting the plot and character arcs of the Original Trilogy and was more interested in showing up the past yet only lived in its shadow which is in addition to poorly executing good if not great concepts.

Pretty much. I saw TFA and it felt almost like a parody, every little detail was exploited either as a joke or as blatant fan service. That is why I never saw either of the other films because there was nothing that made me want to go back. I gave Solo a chance because it was the kinda movie I wanted them to make.

[Nightbeat74]

NO, they had the "strong female protag" kiss someone who amounts to a fascist school shooter.who when they first meet, had her strapped to a torture table! thus enforcing the awful bullshit saying of: "well if he is bothering you,it just means he likes you"! and that is just the tip of the iceberg of shit,those movies are!

[McAvoy]

NO, they had the "strong female protag" kiss someone who amounts to a fascist school shooter.who when they first meet, had her strapped to a torture table! thus enforcing the awful bullshit saying of: "well if he is bothering you,it just means he likes you"! and that is just the tip of the iceberg of shit,those movies are!

Outside the usage of angry smilies, you are right. Ben Solo would be the Jedi equivalent of a school shooter in how he acted in Luke's academy.

[clearspira]

Putting my biases aside, objectively, this trilogy was dead the moment they decided to use three directors all of whom were running off different notes. And yes, I said three. There was originally meant to be a third guy who did Rise of Skywalker. It is impossible to have a coherent flow when there are three cooks in the kitchen all owning different cookbooks.

Putting my biases very much to the forefront, no, I do not agree there were good concepts here. TFA was a rip-off of ANH and TROS is hands down one of the worst big budget films I have ever seen and I say that without hyperbole. The plot holes and contrivances here are numerous and disgusting. I'll give TLJ this much, at least it was original, maybe if Rian Johnson has three films to play with he could have executed Luke's rise and fall better.

[Winter]

Putting my biases very much to the forefront, no, I do not agree there were good concepts here. TFA was a rip-off of ANH and TROS is hands down one of the worst big budget films I have ever seen and I say that without hyperbole. The plot holes and contrivances here are numerous and disgusting. I'll give TLJ this much, at least it was original, maybe if Rian Johnson has three films to play with he could have executed Luke's rise and fall better.

I can't agree that there were no good concepts in TDST and think there are some but VERY badly executed.

Finn, a former minion of evil turned Rebel hero, She-Ra and Kyle Katarn. Someone with a mysterious past who is both someone of no importance yet has a connection to a evil Empire that ties into their connection with a power they don't fully understand? She-Ra and Steven Universe. Mentor who has a dark secret and someone whom the hero was told to hate turns out to be some they relate to, She-Ra, Avatar and Steven Universe.

These are shows and game characters concepts that HAVE been very well received so they ARE good concepts. The problem is TDST is that it doesn't have any confidence in it's these ideas and plays it safe and yes I'm including TLJ in that.

And in regards to TDST having three directors, so did TOT. In fact, it had FIVE people working on the series film to film with Lucas only providing the ideas and basic story for Empire but having less involvement then the other films. But it was Lucas' vision at the end of the day and the story did go in the direction he wanted it to.

As far as I know Kathleen Kennedy had overall very little involvement in TDST and only made a few suggestions but other then that was pretty much hands off during the Trilogy and even then it was pretty minor. Case in point it was Kennedy who wanted to see Leia us the Force in Episode 8 BUT it was not her idea for Leia to Marry Poppins her way through space that was Johnson's idea. It was also her idea to have each film in the Trilogy focus on a different member of the Original Trio but as far as I know it wasn't her idea to kill any of them off.

There is the possibility that she was responsible for Kylo becoming the wangsty twat we all know him for but that was said by Kennedy during an interview as a JOKE so that's not the best example to point to for her involvement in the Trilogy. And keep in mind people say REALLY Stupid things during interviews or seem to say stupid things because the interview is being edited to create a story where none exists (thank you Babylon 5 for creating an episode that is taught in reporter schools to show how to manipulate the truth (<--- True story btw)).

[Nightbeat74]

NO, they had the "strong female protag" kiss someone who amounts to a fascist school shooter.who when they first meet, had her strapped to a torture table! thus enforcing the awful bullshit saying of: "well if he is bothering you,it just means he likes you"! and that is just the tip of the iceberg of shit,those movies are!

Outside the usage of angry smilies, you are right. Ben Solo would be the Jedi equivalent of a school shooter in how he acted in Luke's academy.

yep and i also hate how crylo fans like to blame han and leia for how he turned out.

[McAvoy]

I blame writing for that. Han Solo was written like a bad father or worse a absentee father. Leia seemed to be indifferent. Luke, or Uncle Luke seemed to be a different character than we saw in OT when he momentarily felt he needed to kill his own nephew due feeling the Dark Side in him.

The Sequel Trilogy just seemed to make the whole OT characters look worse than they should have been. Was it done on purpose? To make the new characters look better in comparison? Or was it just bad writing?

[clearspira]

I blame writing for that. Han Solo was written like a bad father or worse a absentee father. Leia seemed to be indifferent. Luke, or Uncle Luke seemed to be a different character than we saw in OT when he momentarily felt he needed to kill his own nephew due feeling the Dark Side in him.

The Sequel Trilogy just seemed to make the whole OT characters look worse than they should have been. Was it done on purpose? To make the new characters look better in comparison? Or was it just bad writing?

I can see Han being a absent dad I have to say. He was always a free spirit and it is very cliche Hollywood to have the "bad boy changed by a woman and kids". Realistically, he probably would have doinked another woman behind Leias back and then left. Think about it: he is the most famous man in the galaxy barring a handful and probably surrounded by hot women all day, all willing to throw themselves at him. Most men would find it hard to stay faithful.

[McAvoy]

I blame writing for that. Han Solo was written like a bad father or worse a absentee father. Leia seemed to be indifferent. Luke, or Uncle Luke seemed to be a different character than we saw in OT when he momentarily felt he needed to kill his own nephew due feeling the Dark Side in him.

The Sequel Trilogy just seemed to make the whole OT characters look worse than they should have been. Was it done on purpose? To make the new characters look better in comparison? Or was it just bad writing?

I can see Han being a absent dad I have to say. He was always a free spirit and it is very cliche Hollywood to have the "bad boy changed by a woman and kids". Realistically, he probably would have doinked another woman behind Leias back and then left. Think about it: he is the most famous man in the galaxy barring a handful and probably surrounded by hot women all day, all willing to throw themselves at him. Most men would find it hard to stay faithful.

I think you got Han wrong. What exactly made him a free spirit? That he wanted to leave? He did have a bounty on his head afterall. Yes he was more of a free spirit in ANH.

You really have to think how he was in the original trilogy when it came to his friends.