McAvoy wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:09 am
Federation might have a population in the trillions. It does amuse me even in other scifi stories they constantly place alien homeworlds in the hundreds of millions.
Bashir and his crew of special needs geniuses did calculate a loss of 900 billion. So you can figure out they are not talking about a complete wipe out of population centers. They even predict Earth and others will achieve a successful uprising in 200 years.
Really the true scale they never think about is the industrial powerhouse Starfleet could be. We are talking about thousands of ships where it should be easily hundreds of thousands of ships if not millions.
I actually liked how utterly they screwed the pooch on their calculations because they can't comprehend how the Dominion operates. The Dominion is not going to have a revolution against it because they're going to EXTERMINATE humanity.
in other words, surrender would have been the end.
I am not sure about that. I think Weyoun was just going to wipe out Earth but not every single human planet.
I had this theory about this episode. The Super geniuses were really good at breaking down motivations of the Dominion and Cardassians as they see them. But their calculations go out the window the farther they go into the future because you just cannot predict what trillions of people will do.
They were right about the Romulans joining the war because their motivations were pretty simple. The Romulans couldn't stay out of it and hope for the best that the Dominion now with the full resoures of the Federation and Klingons don't invade. So they either be a puppet state with the Dominion or they help the allies and of they win, they will still retain their freedoms as before.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:40 am
I am not sure about that. I think Weyoun was just going to wipe out Earth but not every single human planet.
I had this theory about this episode. The Super geniuses were really good at breaking down motivations of the Dominion and Cardassians as they see them. But their calculations go out the window the farther they go into the future because you just cannot predict what trillions of people will do.
They were right about the Romulans joining the war because their motivations were pretty simple. The Romulans couldn't stay out of it and hope for the best that the Dominion now with the full resoures of the Federation and Klingons don't invade. So they either be a puppet state with the Dominion or they help the allies and of they win, they will still retain their freedoms as before.
I won't argue the point too much because I don't believe continuity was that tight but I think that the episode was meant to demonstrate the Augments were people who had too much faith in their own abilities at the expense of regular humanity. They were certain they were correct but Star Trek is a universe where superiority of mind or technology is not really something that can overcome superiority of ethics.
Hence why godlike beings and advanced races are constantly outwitted by plucky captains.
I also think that they underestimate just how good the Dominion is at oppression.
I don't am not talking about the writer's intentions after that episode especially with the Romulans. Honestly the Romulans joining the war was going to happen and I think I may have had that viewpoint when DS9 first aired.
But I was talking about In Universe. To me it makes perfect sense for the Romulans joining the Federation and the Klingons to save their own freedom as a seperate empire not under the banner of the Dominion. Unlike the Cardassians. They had to know they were not safe if the Dominion won but they knew if the Allies won, they would be left alone.
Funny thing about the Romulans. In every future, possible or actual, the Romulans fall.
