Trump VS. Athletes

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

It all seems rather petty and pointless to me. I suppose part of me is entertained by the schadenfreude of an organization that worked so hard for so long to draw in the "'Merka!" crowd only to turn around and essentially bite the hand that feeds it, so to speak. Also, the salt, I guess. The more cynical part of me is wondering what we're being distracted from while the media and politicians are dangling this in front of us. I guess there is that whole tensions with NK thing...

I hope there won't be a nuclear war. Republicans and Dems pointing fingers over a NK nuclear strike in a social media age will be the most disgusting thing ever.

Really? Because I think if that happens, the most disgusting thing would be the actual nuclear strike, what with the poisoning of topsoil, people turned to blast shadows, slow lingering death and whole vast stretches of land being uninhabitable for centuries to come.

[Antiboyscout]

Too late for that. The last NK nuke test broke underground containment. Even the Chinese are concerned.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-worr ... 1504690205

[Admiral X]

Maybe they'll actually do something about them now.

[Karha of Honor]

It is not, primarily, the Left, though, that has divided the poor on racial lines. Its the far Right, the Alt. Right, Trump's base. They tell the poor: "No, its not our fault for serving big business, its those damn dirty immigrants and foreigners taking your jobs."

While the big job killer in the background that no one in power wants to talk about is not foreigners/brown people (who have as much a right to live as anyone)- its automation.

And yeah, a lot of people just want to see it burn. But maybe they should stop and reconsider weather the Joker is a good political role-model.

if ther will be massive automation wouldn't more immigrants increase the chaos and misery when the shit hits the fans and people will get really desperate about the situation?

No. The idea that immigrants=chaos automatically is textbook xenophobia, the belief that something is dangerous or disruptive simply because it is foreign. Leaving aside the hilarious irony that everyone living in America is either an immigrant or a descendent of immigrants. Well, I guess you could say that people who are entirely of First Nations heritage are not, but even then, humans originated in Africa, so...

My point is that it doesn't matter weather immigrants are coming in or not, or weather we're outsourcing or not- most of the traditional working class jobs (and some of the white collar jobs too) are likely going bye-bye, because as long as the tech. exists to automate, and businesses are permitted to put profit for their CEOs and boards of directors over all else, then their will be a strong incentive to automate.

I do think that their will be chaos and misery due to immigrants being scapegoated for the loss of jobs by those who have a vested interest in making sure that the real problem (that the jobs simply aren't there) doesn't get addressed. And your response (to immediately find a way to blame immigrants, even when I factually point out that banning immigrants won't make the problem go away) shows how potent a weapon that is. It won't work forever, of course, but it will "work" for a while, perhaps- at the cost of the civil rights and lives of a great many innocent people.

This, more than anything else, is why I support basic income- because barring a collapse of modern technological civilization, it is very likely going to be a choice between that, a fascist/Neo-Nazi government, or a communist government and the abolition of private business in the fairly near future, because the old model of "you have to earn a living, and if you don't its you're fault for being poor, so don't expect any handouts" isn't going to work when there are no jobs to be had.

Edit: I think, in short, that we have to start looking for economic alternatives outside of the traditional assumptions of either Left or Right. Because while its possible that the future effects of automation are being overstated... we're already seeing a lot of jobs being lost for this reason, we're already seeing a reduction in democracy and civil liberties as minorities are scapegoated, and we have every reason to believe that its going to get worse. And if it does happen to the extent that some may predict... then we're probably looking at the biggest economic paradigm shift since the Industrial Revolution, if not the invention of agriculture.

So just invite people who don't speak English watch them barely scrape by and everything will be great...

You do know immigration was restricted for a long time and immigrants assimilated. The American elite not asking for that is new thing.

[The Romulan Republic]

So, an unsupported assumption that immigrants don't know English and will be unable or unwilling to learn English, and thereby be unable to support themselves (characterizing immigrants implicitly as lazy and uneducated leeches), coupled with an appeal to tradition fallacy.

Yeah, I'm not convinced.

[Antiboyscout]

So, an unsupported assumption that immigrants don't know English and will be unable or unwilling to learn English, and thereby be unable to support themselves (characterizing immigrants implicitly as lazy and uneducated leeches), coupled with an appeal to tradition fallacy.

Yeah, I'm not convinced.

Don't you know? Only white people speak English.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... litan-bias

Here is a Mexican advocating for amnesty, despite living in the US for 17 years requires a translator to call Trump a racist.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... im-racism/

[The Romulan Republic]

Wait, you're... seriously arguing that only white people speak English?

I mean, even in your case, and despite your lengthy history of shilling for Trump, I'd think that you were being sarcastic, if not for the fact that that makes no sense in context (since if you were being sarcastic, you'd be agreeing with my point, instead of trying to refute it), and that you follow it up by posting "evidence" (and I use that word very loosely here) that Mexicans can't learn English (hint: Breitbart isn't a credible source for anything except despair for the human race).

I mean, Jesus. Why not admit that you're just waiting for the "we're hiring" add for the camps if you're going to be that openly racist?

[Antiboyscout]

I am being sarcastic, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy on the Pro-immigration side.

And the Breitbart article is not evidence. It is simply funny that a Mexican immigrant advocating for immigration, that has live in the US for 17 years, still requires a translator to call Trump a racist.

[Antiboyscout]

Also did you even read the artical?

If so, Tell me who was working for Trump, and who suggested that only white people speak english, and are they the same person?

[Madner Kami]

I am being sarcastic, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy on the Pro-immigration side.

And the Breitbart article is not evidence. It is simply funny that a Mexican immigrant advocating for immigration, that has live in the US for 17 years, still requires a translator to call Trump a racist.

Not really surprising, given he has ample access and reason to be part of a parallel culture within the US, that he kinda gets forced into, due to the whole being an immigrant-thing. Being incapable of speaking a language of a long-lived-in host-country is usually a clear sign for the society being exclusive towards that person.