Most White Leftists are Mentally Ill

[Draco Dracul]

It makes sense, capitalism is incredibly harsh to the mentally ill. Also I find it funny that you're using a rag that thinks liberals are on the left.

I think it uses the term "Liberal" colloquially, in the American sense, to be interchangable with "Progressive"

Progressive liberals are still centrists at best because they believe capitalism can be fixed.

No, maybe they appear centered to how far-off-tilt you've gotten, but to the VAST majority of the world, the Prog Left is a tumor.

Progressive liberals are not on the left as to be on the left one must reject capitalism. They can be brought over to the left, but that require the realization that the abuses of capitalism are features and not bugs.

So what's better than Capitalism? You can't honestly believe humans can operate under Communism, can you? Because spoiler alert: We're not ants.

We're not ants, but we are social animals, I personally believe that much of the difficulty in implementing communism is the existant power structures beating our natural empathy out of us while also exalting those that lack empathy. I also feel that working towards communism is the only way we can truly follow the words of Jesus.

[CharlesPhipps]

Progressive liberals are not on the left as to be on the left one must reject capitalism. They can be brought over to the left, but that require the realization that the abuses of capitalism are features and not bugs.

Ehhh, Elizabeth Warren believes in capitalism but believes in heavily regulated capitalism. Many Leftists refuse to believe capitalism can be regulated, which is stupid.

Mind you, America has dedicated itself to deregulating capitalism since the Eighties and losing most of its previous advantages.

[Draco Dracul]

Progressive liberals are not on the left as to be on the left one must reject capitalism. They can be brought over to the left, but that require the realization that the abuses of capitalism are features and not bugs.

Ehhh, Elizabeth Warren believes in capitalism but believes in heavily regulated capitalism. Many Leftists refuse to believe capitalism can be regulated, which is stupid.

Mind you, America has dedicated itself to deregulating capitalism since the Eighties and losing most of its previous advantages.

Capitalism can be regulated in the short term, but it will use it's gains over time to push back against regulations meaning that going for regulation of capitalism over the abolition of capitalism means that progressives and leftists will be constantly using resources to try and keep capital in check rather than actually building things up that benefit in the long term. And as we've seen in the US once deregulation starts it's very hard to stop because capitalism will have more and more resources with which to oppose regulation.

Ultimately you will only get a strong movement to regulate capitalism when faced with a rising socialist movement so that those in power can save capitalism from the socialists. Generally this takes the form of progressive reforms to placate the masses along with mass arrests of prominent socialists so that any momentum from reform victories is dissipated.

[McAvoy]

Progressive liberals are not on the left as to be on the left one must reject capitalism. They can be brought over to the left, but that require the realization that the abuses of capitalism are features and not bugs.

Ehhh, Elizabeth Warren believes in capitalism but believes in heavily regulated capitalism. Many Leftists refuse to believe capitalism can be regulated, which is stupid.

Mind you, America has dedicated itself to deregulating capitalism since the Eighties and losing most of its previous advantages.

Capitalism can be regulated in the short term, but it will use it's gains over time to push back against regulations meaning that going for regulation of capitalism over the abolition of capitalism means that progressives and leftists will be constantly using resources to try and keep capital in check rather than actually building things up that benefit in the long term. And as we've seen in the US once deregulation starts it's very hard to stop because capitalism will have more and more resources with which to oppose regulation.

Ultimately you will only get a strong movement to regulate capitalism when faced with a rising socialist movement so that those in power can save capitalism from the socialists. Generally this takes the form of progressive reforms to placate the masses along with mass arrests of prominent socialists so that any momentum from reform victories is dissipated.

There are existing government regulations that still exist in today's environment. For example, child labor laws and safety regulations.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Yeah and the right are actively trying to get rid of child labor laws. I consider myself a social democrat but Draco's got some strong points.

[Draco Dracul]

Yeah and the right are actively trying to get rid of child labor laws. I consider myself a social democrat but Draco's got some strong points.

I should note that I would support social democratic policies in a heart beat, even though I do not think they go far enough or that they are sustainable in the long term as objectively they represent a step up for the US. On a fundamental level I reject accelerationism as pretty much every time it's ever been tried it lead to either authoritarian socialism or the far worse fascism to take over.

[CharlesPhipps]

I admit there's a certain irony in the OP, though.

In the Soviet Union, it was a common practice that anyone who didn't believe in the atheist materialist communist system or that it would lead to a worker's paradise was to be labeled "insane" and put in a asylum until they agreed to be "cured" (and even then some) because imprisonment was not very effective at deterring it.

Now the Right seems to be saying that if you think "white" is a stupid racial concept or that everyone should be treated the same, you're insane because you're denying your own privilege. As if selflessness is a vice rather than a virtue.

[CmdrKing]

I should note that I would support social democratic policies in a heart beat, even though I do not think they go far enough or that they are sustainable in the long term as objectively they represent a step up for the US. On a fundamental level I reject accelerationism as pretty much every time it's ever been tried it lead to either authoritarian socialism or the far worse fascism to take over.

Honestly this is a big reason I tend to use the term post-capitalism for what we need to transition towards. Like, there’s many good lessons to take from Marxism and even Leninism but ultimately the versions of those systems that were implemented either collapsed into fascism or ran into a wall of excess authoritarianism combined with not really exerting as much pressure against capital as capital did against them. So while whatever replaces capitalism will surely have socialist features, it’s not really a sufficient or complete solution.

Mind, I should add there that it also builds in a certain amount of “we don’t truly know WHAT that which succeeds capitalism will look like” into the thing which is important as well.

[Draco Dracul]

I should note that I would support social democratic policies in a heart beat, even though I do not think they go far enough or that they are sustainable in the long term as objectively they represent a step up for the US. On a fundamental level I reject accelerationism as pretty much every time it's ever been tried it lead to either authoritarian socialism or the far worse fascism to take over.

Honestly this is a big reason I tend to use the term post-capitalism for what we need to transition towards. Like, there’s many good lessons to take from Marxism and even Leninism but ultimately the versions of those systems that were implemented either collapsed into fascism or ran into a wall of excess authoritarianism combined with not really exerting as much pressure against capital as capital did against them. So while whatever replaces capitalism will surely have socialist features, it’s not really a sufficient or complete solution.

Mind, I should add there that it also builds in a certain amount of “we don’t truly know WHAT that which succeeds capitalism will look like” into the thing which is important as well.

My personal view is without adopting communist ideas you can't have post capitalism as capital will fight tooth and nail to manufacture the scarcity to justify it's own existence. We can see this in things like food where in people starve around the world as huge amounts of perfectly edible food is discarded for being too ugly for store shelves.

[CharlesPhipps]

My personal view is without adopting communist ideas you can't have post capitalism as capital will fight tooth and nail to manufacture the scarcity to justify it's own existence. We can see this in things like food where in people starve around the world as huge amounts of perfectly edible food is discarded for being too ugly for store shelves.

Actually that seems to ignore the vast amount of humanitarian relief that is actually donated in order to keep food prices up. Its just getting this globally is hard due to political and social structures. North Korea for example is kept from its final collapse from donated food and hopes of it not turning into even more of a quagmire (that they rebag as produced in-country).