Star Trek: Discovery - spoilery thoughts?

[GandALF]

The psuedo klingons of Discovery follow that same religious philosophy that anything not of Klingon make or design is impure and that its use taints anything it touches.

There's nothing to indicate that it's a specific doctrine. Voq joined T'kuvma's movement to overcome his outcast status and prove his Klingonhood. So it's going to look pretty bad if the outcast leader of the remain Klingon movement is unable repair his own ship with Klingon know-how and has to resort to scavenging Federation technology.

[Archanubis]

The psuedo klingons of Discovery follow that same religious philosophy that anything not of Klingon make or design is impure and that its use taints anything it touches.

There's nothing to indicate that it's a specific doctrine. Voq joined T'kuvma's movement to overcome his outcast status and prove his Klingonhood. So it's going to look pretty bad if the outcast leader of the remain Klingon movement is unable repair his own ship with Klingon know-how and has to resort to scavenging Federation technology.

I would say not being able to fix your ship for six months while your supplies dwindle isn't going to look good in the eyes of your crew. On any other show, that kind of failure would have result in Voq having to fend off challengers - probably a lot sooner than six months.

And in regards to that point - nobody on the Klingon High Council realized the only ship in their fleet with a cloaking device had been missing for that long? Nobody in the Council went, "Hey, wait, we haven't seen that T'Kuvma guy in a while, maybe we should check his last known location, make sure everything's okay?" And as Midnight's Edge After Dark pointed out, there were no salvagers coming to the battlefield in all that time, looking for scrap metal and abandoned tech? A lot of things just don't make sense.

[technobabbler]

Clickbait headline written by someone who needs to watch some SFdebris: 'Star Trek: Discovery' Challenges Viewers With the Show's First Unethical Captain

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... al-captain

[Karha of Honor]

The psuedo klingons of Discovery follow that same religious philosophy that anything not of Klingon make or design is impure and that its use taints anything it touches.

There's nothing to indicate that it's a specific doctrine. Voq joined T'kuvma's movement to overcome his outcast status and prove his Klingonhood. So it's going to look pretty bad if the outcast leader of the remain Klingon movement is unable repair his own ship with Klingon know-how and has to resort to scavenging Federation technology.

Mandalorians are so much cooler when it comes to using tech. I mean EU Mando's. i don't want to know what Disney did to them.

[Admiral X]

Clickbait headline written by someone who needs to watch some SFdebris: 'Star Trek: Discovery' Challenges Viewers With the Show's First Unethical Captain

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... al-captain

There was another one not long ago that claimed the show's main character was the first black lead in Star Trek history, so we already know how informed the people writing these actually are.

[Durandal_1707]

Again, avoiding the use of alien technology is another idea from 40K. Essentially the Imperium's policy on Xeno tech.

Dude, the TOS Klingons were based on the USSR. And the USSR, especially under Stalin, did this "no Western tech" stuff all the time.

Stalin predates 40K by just a bit.

[Fixer]

Again, avoiding the use of alien technology is another idea from 40K. Essentially the Imperium's policy on Xeno tech.

Dude, the TOS Klingons were based on the USSR. And the USSR, especially under Stalin, did this "no Western tech" stuff all the time.

Stalin predates 40K by just a bit.

Stalin ordered the reverse engineering of the B-29 superfortress. One of the largest and most complex efforts of reverse engineering ever undertaken. He was totally fine with using Western based technology and knowledge when it provided a shortcut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4

The quasi religious "uncleanliness" of technology is more suited to the medieval 40K mindset.

[da5id]

Seriously? Stalin did many things, one of which was to build a cult of personality around himself. There's a reason political science use the phrase "Stalinism" to describe his reign.

Stalin stating that USSR's technology was vastly superior in a public speech while at the same time using spycraft and stolen documentation is not only consistent. It's to be expected. Lenin was a true believer in a Socialist state while Stalin was more focused on his personal power as the head of state. It's just what the Kim dynasty has done in DPRK.

Even when improving "stolen" technology (like adding a autopilot to the Buran) the state could never admit to any outside influence, everything was the product of the USSR.

[Durandal_1707]

Even when improving "stolen" technology (like adding a autopilot to the Buran) the state could never admit to any outside influence, everything was the product of the USSR.

Yep. And in non-military applications, where it couldn't be hidden as well, it was often just forbidden. There's a particularly unfortunate example of this in the film Alexander Nevsky, which had a score by Sergei Prokofiev, one of the greatest living composers of the time. The score to this film, which has heavily influenced pretty much every movie score made since (particularly including James Horner's scores for the Trek TOS films, which contain some direct references to Prokofiev's work), is considered one of the greatest film scores ever written. But you can only really enjoy it in a re-recording or in a live performance by an orchestra, because due to Stalin's NIH syndrome, they couldn't use the quite nice-sounding recording technology being used by Hollywood in the 40s, but instead they had to use Soviet-made equipment. The result is that the actual soundtrack to this film, which has one of the best scores ever written, is so horribly ruined that it's almost comical. The majestic, riveting orchestral music, passed through that filter, comes out sounding like a circus band. You have to listen to it (and compare it to a decent recording of the same music) to appreciate just how bad it is.

[GandALF]

I think people are mistaking Worf for the typical Klingon, at the end of Redemption the "good" Klingons scoff at him for not killing the Duras kid. Then there's also this exchange in DS9's You Are Cordially Invited regarding his marriage to Dax:

Worf:"You never told me that your wife was opposed to this marriage!"
Martok:"Sirella is a woman of strong convictions; she believes that by bringing aliens into our families we risk losing our identities as Klingons."
Worf:"That is a prejudiced, xenophobic view!"
Martok:"We are Klingons, Worf! We don't embrace other cultures, we conquer them! If someone wishes to join us, they must honor our traditions, and prove themselves worthy of wearing the crest of a Great House."

So the Discovery writers aren't pulling this stuff out of their ass.